Any of the warriors here having trouble finding a PT for Coil T2?

[Allyrion]

Then maybe take away the PLD stun, then warrior be only tank that can stun. PLD can be the only silence

This is not the case with any healing or dps jobs

Two WHMs are much better than two SCH. One of each is best, but you can say that with the WAR/PLD now.

[xRitzx]

This is not the case with any healing or dps jobs

Yeah, black mages totally never get left out of coil T1 and T2 groups because they can silence like bards (sarcasm)

[Hanabira]

Yeah, black mages totally never get left out of coil T1 and T2 groups because they can silence like bards (sarcasm)

ive never seen a blm get turned away from anything, unless of course theres 1 spot left and they NEED a silencer.. but if they had a pld tank, you'd have been in that party

but really, the difference is.. brd and both are both DPS and high utility jobs, they just have very different utility (and they should). it isnt brd's fault that no fights require heavy, bind or sleep. but when there is, you'll be taking brd's spot. If you want to relate war and pld to blm and brd, it would be like if BRD could silence, buff with songs AND heavy and sleep whenever it wants. and your blm only able to heavy or sleep once every 20 seconds.

[Ri_ri]

Anyone who does not want a WAR

PLD can always replace a WAR
WAR can't always replace a PLD

Paladin will always have more opportunities to be in a group than warrior. It's not about people not wanting to take them.

[Allyrion]

Yeah, black mages totally never get left out of coil T1 and T2 groups because they can silence like bards (sarcasm)

Why is that an issue unless you're stacking Bards?
One bard, two melee, one caster
or
One bard, 2 casters, one melee.
Those both work for all of coil, though the latter is slightly better for T4 (which also favours BLM).
I don't see how BLM and BRD are even competing for the same spot.

I disagree with healing balance being equal (and I don't think it needs to be if it ends up turning class diversity sterile), but DPS balance is at a great point now (except mnks are super OP).

Honestly, balancing ends up either forcing you to get different classes because you need X class for Y utility OR they just give all classes the ability to do whatever their counterpart can.
The former is better than the latter imo. If you took out the PLD stun, WAR, MNKs and DRGs can provide that. WAR has no silence while MNK (sort of..), BRD and PLD can provide that.
Once the tools are available in a varied party, it's fine. Too much direct comparison just leads to everyone being the same.

[xRitzx]

ive never seen a blm get turned away from anything, unless of course theres 1 spot left and they NEED a silencer.. but if they had a pld tank, you'd have been in that party

I've been PUG Coil T1 and T2. If a group doesn't have a bard and only needs 1 more DPS, other DPS are left out. You are correct that blm rarely get turned away from things, I haven't seen it but Titan EX would probably be the only other situation that blm are excluded because of the intense movement.

PLDs arguably have more utility over WARs right now. I doubt anything will change in the game right now. However, with threads that provide feedback like these, maybe WARs will become more equal with PLDs in utility when level cap raises and there are new skills.

[Ryios]

I feel your pain main. However, I foresaw these issues in October and leveled a paladin to 50 to deal with it so I can tank as either. I have myth gear on both of them and BCB drops so both are IL86.

All they really need to do is give Warrior a Silence. Imo Inner Beast should silence since they nerfed it's HP.

[Soulburn32]

Best thing you can do if you play support roles is level the other one as well.

Play a WHM? Level your SCH so you can switch if/as needed.

Play a WAR? Level your PLD so you can switch if/as needed.


Same can somewhat be said for BLM, Ideally you should have your SMN leveled also to switch for better group makeup.

[Hanabira]

I've been PUG Coil T1 and T2. If a group doesn't have a bard and only needs 1 more DPS, other DPS are left out. You are correct that blm rarely get turned away from things, I haven't seen it but Titan EX would probably be the only other situation that blm are excluded because of the intense movement.

PLDs arguably have more utility over WARs right now. I doubt anything will change in the game right now. However, with threads that provide feedback like these, maybe WARs will become more equal with PLDs in utility when level cap raises and there are new skills.

Thats just the way things work, if a party has 7 people and a vital role has not been filled, then that 8th slot goes to exactly what they need. The strange thing is, if that same party used pld's instead of a warrior, then they party would not have needed a bard and the blm would have the spot.

That is what is strange about it, a warrior does not provide any utility that would fill a specific need for utility and provide a space in the party that -anyone- can join. warriors actually cause other DPS slots to need filling by specific roles. IE, if you have warriors in T2, you NEED bards and nothing else can reasonably fill the slot. that isnt the case anywhere else. While this isnt a real issue now, i worry that down the road, it will be.

[KogaDrake]

Paladin will always have more opportunities to be in a group than warrior. It's not about people not wanting to take them.

PLD bring only 1 thing to the table that WAR can not, and that is a silence. Silence is needed in only 1 fight in this game, ADS. Multiple jobs have a silence, and multiple setups can be used, MNK, 2xbrd, 2xpld, brd/pld. add in silencing pots and I believe 2xWAR + 1brd can take care of everything.

Yes i know someone will say they bring Hollowed ground also, but lets be honest, any strat depending on it is wrong, its a crutch skill that can be used if things go bad. WAR have Holmgang wich is similar but not as good for sure.

Only reason PLD would have more opportunities is because of ignorance of people who do not want to change their ways since the 2.1 changes, and they a select vocal few say PLD is better still and too many players do not think for themselves and just follow what they read... Everything in 2.0 had been done 2xWAR, and I'm sure everything in 2.1 has also been done with all WARs just as easily as it is done with 2xPLD, so saying pld have more opportunities then a WAR is just stupid and full of ignorance.