For the love of .......

[Zaiekk]

There seems to be a distinct lack of logic in the "go watch a video" crowd. First of all, where do you think those videos came from? Before they were made, groups of players had to face the bosses blind and figure it out for themselves. Imagine that! they didn't have videos and guides! *Le gasp*

Second, do not presume to have the authority to tell me how to play the game. You're just further showcasing your ignorance by demanding everyone play YOUR way. Is it selfish that people wont watch videos to learn a fight? Yes. But it is also selfish that you demand people go and watch them. You're being selfish by demanding people abandon their gameplay and adopt yours. Personally, I learn better through experiencing the game, not watching everyone else play it. If you want to watch other people have fun, go watch TV.
Sometimes I have to wonder if the video crowd intentionally uses the DF so that they have a reason to come cry on the forums. "Waaah! These people wont play the game the way I want them to! Listen to me cry on the forums about how bad they are!"

And third, the last time I checked, I was playing Final Fantasy 14, not Simon Says.

[Artemiz]

I learn quicker by fighting the bosses then by looking at a video to be honest. On Titan HM now and onyl tricky part is the rotation with his abilities. But a few more tries I got that down.

People learn much quicker when they play active then watch a movie passive

Nobody is disputing that, but it's also true that being prepared will significantly improve your chances of success.

There seems to be a distinct lack of logic in the "go watch a video" crowd. First of all, where do you think those videos came from? Before they were made, groups of players had to face the bosses blind and figure it out for themselves. Imagine that! they didn't have videos and guides! *Le gasp*

Those videos came from hardcore groups with high level skill players who where first to beat the content. They had to use trial and error but now we don't, we know the strat so why not at least read/watch it before hand?

Second, do not presume to have the authority to tell me how to play the game. You're just further showcasing your ignorance by demanding everyone play YOUR way. Is it selfish that people wont watch videos to learn a fight? Yes. But it is also selfish that you demand people go and watch them. You're being selfish by demanding people abandon their gameplay and adopt yours. Personally, I learn better through experiencing the game, not watching everyone else play it. If you want to watch other people have fun, go watch TV.

It's not selfish to ask someone to put in 15 minutes of effort to significantly improve the chances for the full group of 8 people, where on earth do you get that idea? Asking people to be prepared before they do content is common sense, not self entitlement.

And third, the last time I checked, I was playing Final Fantasy 14, not Simon Says.

Is this meant to be funny? because it doesn't really make much sense. If you're refering to the strategy then you'll be winning with the same strat anyway regardless of if you watched the video or not.


Seriously, watching a video before you go into Duty Finder isn't really about winning or losing, a party that has all done the fight before will fail if it doesn't gel well. It's about being prepared before you do group content and showing respect to your fellow players by at least putting some effort in. What is selfish is going into Duty Finder knowing you're unprepared for a fight, refusing to prepare for said fight and then thinking it's perfectly fine that everyone fails because you didn't know what to expect and keep dying. You might watch the video before hand and keep dying anyway but at least you tried.

[Zaiekk]

Seriously, watching a video before you go into Duty Finder isn't really about winning or losing, a party that has all done the fight before will fail if it doesn't gel well. It's about being prepared before you do group content and showing respect to your fellow players by at least putting some effort in. What is selfish is going into Duty Finder knowing you're unprepared for a fight, refusing to prepare for said fight and then thinking it's perfectly fine that everyone fails because you didn't know what to expect and keep dying. You might watch the video before hand and keep dying anyway but at least you tried.

And yet to ENTIRELY miss the point. Some people enjoy the challenge of the unknown. People like myself prefer to figure it out by ourselves. That unknown factor adds more challenge and fun to a fight, regardless of whether or not "it's the same strategy as in the video."

If you want a group that knows everything before hand, go use the Party Finder. Because The Duty Finder is likely to have a lot of people like me in it.

I enjoy the challenge of the unknown, and I'd prefer not to have my hand held like a child. By demanding we stop doing what we enjoy, to go watch a video, by taking away that element of surprise some of us enjoy, YOU ARE BEING SELFISH. You're telling us that we HAVE to play YOUR way.

If you cannot grasp this very, very simple concept, then I'm afraid this conversation is over, because you're clearly beyond help.

[Size]

If you want a group that knows everything before hand, go use the Party Finder. Because The Duty Finder is likely to have a lot of people like me in it.

Possibly. Depending on the content. If its new probably, but if its been out for a few weeks, possibly not. Either way, I think at the very least if you have this mindset, you should have the courtesy of announcing in party before you start: "I'm here to learn the fight via trail and error. I refuse to watch vids. Hope you're all cool with that."

If you assumption is right they will all smile and say. "Let's do it together."

If not, you'll see something like this.
"..."
Kick him?
Yeah
/votekick

And you should be accepting of either response. Afterall, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

[TeaTimeBear]

Possibly. Depending on the content. If its new probably, but if its been out for a few weeks, possibly not. Either way, I think at the very least if you have this mindset, you should have the courtesy of announcing in party before you start: "I'm here to learn the fight via trail and error. I refuse to watch vids. Hope you're all cool with that."

If you assumption is right they will all smile and say. "Let's do it together."

If not, you'll see something like this.
"..."
Kick him?
Yeah
/votekick

And you should be accepting of either response. Afterall, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

Trekky I see what you did there

[Zaiekk]

Possibly. Depending on the content. If its new probably, but if its been out for a few weeks, possibly not. Either way, I think at the very least if you have this mindset, you should have the courtesy of announcing in party before you start: "I'm here to learn the fight via trail and error. I refuse to watch vids. Hope you're all cool with that."

If you assumption is right they will all smile and say. "Let's do it together."

If not, you'll see something like this.
"..."
Kick him?
Yeah
/votekick

And you should be accepting of either response. Afterall, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

Which really wouldn't surprise me, given the mentality of this generation of gamers. Gamers are always demanding more challenging content, and yet when it is given, most people wait for videos and then demand everyone go watch them. Then when people like me, real gamers who prefer real challenge, come along, we're baddies. I fail to see the challenge in copying what some guy in a video did. That would be because there isn't any. Watching a video degrades an otherwise challenging fight into a game of "Monkey See Monkey Do."

Give it time. I'm sure future MMOs will come with a mother-figure to hold everyone's hand while they fight all the tough bosses.

[Noahlimits]

Which really wouldn't surprise me, given the mentality of this generation of gamers. Gamers are always demanding more challenging content, and yet when it is given, most people wait for videos and then demand everyone go watch them. Then when people like me, real gamers who prefer real challenge, come along, we're baddies. I fail to see the challenge in copying what some guy in a video did. That would be because there isn't any. Watching a video degrades an otherwise challenging fight into a game of "Monkey See Monkey Do."

Give it time. I'm sure future MMOs will come with a mother-figure to hold everyone's hand while they fight all the tough bosses.

Okay, watch a video of Titan EX and beat it your first hour since you're saying it would take all the challenge out of it. Simply watching a video does not make the content easy.

[Riepah]

If not, you'll see something like this.
"..."
Kick him?
Yeah
/votekick

And you should be accepting of either response. Afterall, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

I don't think one should be "accepting" of being kicked for being new and not watching a video on the content before giving it a try. We should ask SE if that's what they had in mind when they put the kick feature in, or if they'd consider it abuse of said system. I for one am pretty sure it's the latter.

[Size]

I don't think one should be "accepting" of being kicked for being new and not watching a video on the content before giving it a try. We should ask SE if that's what they had in mind when they put the kick feature in, or if they'd consider it abuse of said system. I for one am pretty sure it's the latter.

The key thing was not the first sentence of my last line, but the second. Edit: And after reading the last sentence of you later post, I think we are on the same page.

[Noahlimits]

If you cannot grasp this very, very simple concept, then I'm afraid this conversation is over, because you're clearly beyond help.

I'd say if the 7 other members of the party have watched videos and you're the one refusing to do it, you are the selfish one. You're telling the MAJORITY they have to play it your way.

Or as Size said, at least announce it at the beginning of the battle. Then everyone who doesn't want to waste their time can just leave.

But considering you're a fresh 50 in AF, I doubt we'll have to worry about you at the extremes/harder content anytime soon.

inb4 THIS IS MY ALT.