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    Yukairi Ran
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maku View Post
    Sorry I forgot I was in the DPS forums. Yes when on SMN I only use M2 with Contagion. Sorry I mainly play SCH and was having a discussion about that in a different thread got confused. Use M2 no matter what on SCH cause I can heal while it DoTs away.
    This makes no sense at all. Why would you use M2 when you can simple use a Ruin or Ruin 2?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uninstall View Post
    This makes no sense at all. Why would you use M2 when you can simple use a Ruin or Ruin 2?
    Because with contagion the tics & initial hit add up to more than a crit ruin.

    I tested a contagion'd miasma 2 just now on a dummy, and the damage was:

    Initial hit: 53
    Tics: 26 26 27 26 25 27 26 26 26 27

    Added together I got 315, which is about the same as a crit ruin. However, in that random test, NONE of my dot tics crit. Assuming that one or two of them crit, it would be more damage than possible with a crit ruin (higher than the possible crit range).

    Just for reference, my ruins crit between ~300 and ~326 (outside of a party, unbuffed).


    Another thing to factor in is the way some bosses work (jump / disappear & reappear), and the fact that your dots, including Miasma II, can give extra tics while the boss is off screen, or at least give you some extra damage the same moment they become targetable/vulnerable (if they are invulnerable during phase changes).
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    Last edited by xxalucard; 01-07-2014 at 10:43 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xxalucard View Post
    Because with contagion the tics & initial hit add up to more than a crit ruin.

    I tested a contagion'd miasma 2 just now on a dummy, and the damage was:

    Initial hit: 53
    Tics: 26 26 27 26 25 27 26 26 26 27

    Added together I got 315, which is about the same as a crit ruin. However, in that random test, NONE of my dot tics crit. Assuming that one or two of them crit, it would be more damage than possible with a crit ruin (higher than the possible crit range).

    Just for reference, my ruins crit between ~300 and ~326 (outside of a party, unbuffed).


    Another thing to factor in is the way some bosses work (jump / disappear & reappear), and the fact that your dots, including Miasma II, can give extra tics while the boss is off screen, or at least give you some extra damage the same moment they become targetable/vulnerable (if they are invulnerable during phase changes).
    I am talking about when he's on his Scholar. :/
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    Maku Haikasu
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uninstall View Post
    I am talking about when he's on his Scholar. :/
    I was waiting to see if this is what you meant. I use M2 instead of Ruin because of the instance cast (I pretty much only use my SCH for end-game high movement content) and I use M2 instead of Ruin2 for constant damage because I don't like to Blind the mob when it isn't needed.
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  5. 01-08-2014 12:42 AM