Make FFXIV more like FFXI and less like WoW

[Vandark]

Thats 233 times it's been checked, not 233 individual people.

Your also forgetting all the other forums in the past about this same subject which has been many and some actually had much more attention and likes than this. This has been a repeated thread because it has been seeked for a long time now.

Proof? Population of FFXI and it's peak compared to the population of FFXIV. Pretty compelling numbers leaning one way.

Not really, many of the XI community that are even still playing MMO's at all are eather playing 14 or XI, many are playing 14 right now, some playing both. They take up a percentage of 14's community anyway, it would be interesting to know how many.

No one would be crazy to change direction to please a potential, as you claim, thousands new players whilst riding roughshod over the 100s of thousands already playing.

Lol I still don't understand why you would think anyone currently would stop playing because the game had more to do than just raid or que in for dungeons.

Or because it was terrible? Because there was no real road map or direction when SE decided to remake FFXIV altogether, which was decided in the first couple of months after release whilst it was still free to play. And that content that was actually added was a blatent overdone RNG time sink? To try and keep people payiing. Or you mean the XP parties that blitzed to 50? Hamlets? good idea, terribly implemented. Speed runs for the last chest? Segregated more players than it brought together due to strict job and build limitations imposed by the community to even see that content, same with primals.

I'm not defending 1.0 in terms of it's flaws as back then I had many of my own issues with the game, but most of my problems back then were problems to do with lack of content then also, and the way the game didn't seem to run properly.

Speed runs for the last chest, can't say I liked that, I can agree with you there, I actually prefer the new dungeons to the old, the old dungeons gave me a head ake, it's the outside world stuff that I liked and miss.
I dunno about the strict job and build limitations imposed by the community, can't say I really agree, I made use of all the classes and jobs in the old 14 but in ARR I'm limited to only gearing a few jobs slowly so I feel much more limited in what jobs I can use. In the old FFXIV I was useing and gearing all my jobs in end game without any strict job limitations, every job had it's use even classes had more purpose back then, now classes are pretty much pointless. Those old primal fights were way more epic. I will never agree about exp partys being worse than the fate system for reasons said in previous posts.

SE HAVN'T abandoned there old player base, they still have FFXI running.

LMAO, XI still exsists so they didn't abandon us, wtf haha, the XI we all love is long gone and I for one loved the first XIV because it was a whole new experience for me but now even that has been taken away, I feel very abandoned, I had massive hopes for FF14 that all got flushed down the toilet in ARR. That is two of my Fav games that have been destroyed for me, I put years of my time into both, pored my time into the old FF14 wanting nothing but the best for it and I don't even want to know how much money I've spent on them both. For what, for everything I loved about them to be taken away? I would like some of that back, yes, very much so.

FFXIV was made for a NEW playerbase, to make FF MMOs accesable to a different demographic of players than FFXI does

XIV wasn't made originally to only appeal to a new playerbase that is why the original still had much of the same feel as XI did, Tanaka even said himself he wanted XI players to feel like they could also relate to the new game and it did feel that way untill yoshi tore it all to sheds instead of building onto it.

Siimple reason, you can't please everyone and if FFXIV split into a multitude of directions all it would do is slow down content for everyone, making everyone unhappy for the sake of this crowd you think may magically appear.

There all around you and there just as hopeful as I am, some maybe even more, the real question is will they stick around.

I for one would prefer high quality content implemented slower over pointless content implemented at a fast pace.

[Sapphic]

LMAO, XI still exsists so they didn't abandon us, wtf haha, the XI we all love is long gone and I for one loved the first XIV because it was a whole new experience for me but now even that has been taken away, I feel very abandoned, I had massive hopes for FF14 that all got flushed down the toilet in ARR. That is two of my Fav games that have been destroyed for me, I put years of my time into both, pored my time into the old FF14 wanting nothing but the best for it and I don't even want to know how much money I've spent on them both. For what, for everything I loved about them to be taken away? I would like some of that back, yes, very much so.

Feeling entitled much there? No-one forced you to pay for FFXI and FFXIV 1.0. Games, you either like them or not. the comment "I would like some of that back" is egotistical at best, because YOU spent money on things you enjoy doing knowing it would change and throwing out the entitlement card because you paid before is, frankly pathetic. It was advertised they would totally redo FFXIV in the first couple of months after it went live when Yoshi P stepped in. You seriously expected it to stay the same?

Also, because you think the content they have added is pointless means they should slow down updates to suit you? Many, many people are playing and enjoying the content from 2.1. Going on being in game, you're a vocal minority. So yes, lets spoil it for the majority and slow down updates to satisfy your egotistical demands.

I wasnt talking about FFXIV 1,0 being for a different demographic (when it fact it was as Tanaka tried to make it totally different to FFXI) I was talking about FFXIV ARR! Thought that was obvious as 1.0 does not exist and is irrelevant at this point,

[Vandark]

Feeling entitled

If your account reads correctly I see you started playing in 2013 if that is very much the case where have you been supporting the game for the last two years?

You have the game you wanted while we payed for it and lost what we wanted, Feeling privileged?

No-one forced you to pay for FFXI and FFXIV 1.0. Games, you either like them or not.

I've liked, own and played every Final Fantasy that ever existed, believe me I like them and this dose not play like Final Fantasy, that I do not like.

the comment "I would like some of that back" is egotistical at best, because YOU spent money on things you enjoy doing knowing it would change and throwing out the entitlement card because you paid before is, frankly pathetic.

You sir or mam are attempting to get personal and are seriously lacking in respect for others.

Also, because you think the content they have added is pointless means they should slow down updates to suit you?

No but I'm not the only one so don't go acting like I am and IMO there is no point in earning a billion peaces of useless equipment that do not benefit you because they'll just get replaced by your weekly point equipment and coil if you do it.
- Gil is only really used to craft which now serves little purpose compared to the previous game, or housing which is hmm over priced to the point where it's practically making it pointless to even bother.
- Farming to earn gil is pointless for the same reasons that you don't even really need gil anymore, not to mention even if you wanted to earn gil with this method there is little use in selling items for 1gil -> 300gil 1k maybe tops for the majority of items being under 20gil.

Many, many people are playing and enjoying the content from 2.1. Going on being in game, you're a vocal minority. So yes, lets spoil it for the majority and slow down updates to satisfy your egotistical demands.

I'm one who chooses to be vocal thus I'm the minority, what about the millions of people not playing this game, I wonder what they enjoy. Who is making claims here really, it's not me, I'm just stating my opinions.

I wasnt talking about FFXIV 1,0 being for a different demographic (when it fact it was as Tanaka tried to make it totally different to FFXI) I was talking about FFXIV ARR! Thought that was obvious as 1.0 does not exist and is irrelevant at this point,

You treat old content as if it's no longer relevant because you never cared about it in the first place while it's completely relevant to others who did.

[Sapphic]

If your account reads correctly I see you started playing in 2013 if that is very much the case where have you been supporting the game for the last two years?

You have the game you wanted while we payed for it and lost what we wanted, Feeling privileged?

I have an a legacy char, same name. Started in Beta and bought the collectors edition. But thats irrelevant. YOU chose to pay and play a game you knew was going to change. And thinking that because you paid for previous games makes you entitled for future games is dilusional, come down from those clouds you are floating in.

Plus ive supported this game since it was released! Read this, repeat it like a mantra until you get it in your head.

FFXIV ARR IS NOT FFXIV 1.0.

You paid for FFXIV ARR! Don't make me laugh! There wasnt enough paying and playing to cover the salary of one of the staff, never mind everything else. SE paid for FFXIV to make money, your pittance kept the FFXIV 1.0 servers going. News for you, modern games dont take a couple hundred thousand dollars to make. They take millions.

I get it, you and the very few who kept playing enjoyed 1.0. More news for you, 1.0 is dead and buried, in the past, deceased, doesnt exist anymore. Time to move on.

I'm one who chooses to be vocal thus I'm the minority, what about the millions of people not playing this game, I wonder what they enjoy. Who is making claims here really, it's not me, I'm just stating my opinions.

That makes absolutely no sense whatsover. But to retort. Probably in the same place as the millions that never played FFXI or FFXIV 1.0.

[Vandark]

I have an a legacy char, same name. Started in Beta and bought the collectors edition. But thats irrelevant. YOU chose to pay and play a game you knew was going to change. And thinking that because you paid for previous games makes you entitled for future games is dilusional, come down from those clouds you are floating in.

Plus ive supported this game since it was released! Read this, repeat it like a mantra until you get it in your head.


FFXIV ARR IS NOT FFXIV 1.0.

You paid for FFXIV ARR! Don't make me laugh! There wasnt enough paying and playing to cover the salary of one of the staff, never mind everything else. SE paid for FFXIV to make money, your pittance kept the FFXIV 1.0 servers going. News for you, modern games dont take a couple hundred thousand dollars to make. They take millions.

I chose to pay and play the game because I am loyal, ARR to me was exciting I had massive hopes for it why wouldn’t I choose to play.
The changes we were promised were never believed to be a complete overhaul of every tiny detail, as far as I was aware I never expected it to join the WoW train ride of MMO's.
I wasn't delusional. If I knew in advance it would change in the extreme ways that it has I never would have supported that, it was hidden under the radar.

Things I knew would change and the promises that were made.

.Graphics
.better maps
.improvements on the battle speed
.improved performance

we have IMO

.Worse graphics now
.better looking maps with worse exploration
.faster battle with way less strategy and less skills - I never expected the entire battle system to be completely altered
.improved performance with huge sacrifices

We weren't told that the battle system as a whole would change, that the leveling system would become questing,
-that_
-end game progression would be 100% dungeon-raid related content,
-the entire games story is soluble despite more dungeons,
-AF fights as a team no longer exsist as a thing,
-team content is simply accessible in your inn,
-socializing is no longer a necessary thing in order to progress,
-character models shapes and appearances are no longer the same despite loss in graphics, also movement and physics took a huge hit,
-the fishing game no longer exists ( lvl 50 fisher from old version ),
-the game would change from a realistic type fantasy game designed to feel like a virtual alternate world to a theme park game where everyone runs around doing Fates and with pets following them,
-there is no longer coffer chests, max level craftible gear, max lvl leves with good rewards, that half the old matera no longer exsists and the matera we have now kind of sucks,
-our characters would be half as strong as they used to be despite the faster paced battles.
-relics would become a walk in the park making all the primal weapons even more pointless than they already were
-OUR 30MIN COOL-DOWN ABILITY'S THAT TOTALLY OWNED - Taken away!!!
-Our 30min cool-downs would be replaced with limit breaks that are not even exclusive to single players and are instead a team skill that you can't use playing solo, and majority of the time you don't even get to use them at all unless your a monk or dragoon.
-I can no longer combine my skills like I used to and I have less than 1-3rd of the available skills to use
-crafting leves no longer give you the mats to craft you must buy them and simply hand in the items to complete the quest.. LAME you can just buy everything for 1gil in this stupid game, job done and with no crafting being necessary.
-I miss being able to make like 2mil a day farming raptor skins and actually needing to spend my gil, I have 10mil siting on my character doing nothing but sit there now because I am already pro enough that I don't need to spend it on anything but repairs.
-Event equipment was earned by doing real event type content not just plucking away at another,,, yep another fate
-gear means everything in this game and that skill is no longer a requirement in order to win a fight
-this game would generate a future of horrible gamers that believe they are elite players due to delusions
-the games performance in terms of registering response times have not improved enough to justify the extreme loss in graphics potential. The old game's faults dew to low PC's in this day and age 3 years later are on a larger scale irrelevant as these days more people have access to high end PC's, the game was just released 3 years too early.

All these changes I dislike, honestly I could name so much more but all I want to attempt to enjoy the game again is some damn content I enjoy more than the same dungeon/raiding garbage over and over again.

I feel like we will never know what could have been incredible because Tanaka's vision has been completely demolished, instead of simply being improved on.

I just had a different vision for the games future than you obviously. Are you over your precious personal attacks yet or shall we continue to rant on?

[Sapphic]

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Most things you say there are blatently wrong. 1.0 was everyone running around doing Leve parties instead of Fates.

So you are saying you prefered the lifeless, barren, copypasted, pointless environments of 1.0 as opposed to, albeit smaller, more varied with more things going on in ffxiv arr? Events were weak in 1.0. albeit they are pretty weak in ffxiv arr after being spoilt with Rifts holiday events.

Try using gear to save you from landslides, from rot etc see how far that gets you. Gear only counts for so much in high end battles in FFXIV ARR. Gear counted more in ffxi than it does in ffxiv arr.

I could go on but you so blindsided by your own sense of self importance "because you supported a game" that you feel that SE owes you. They don't. Get over it.

But, obviously the game isn't for you. So let it go, maybe check back after a couple of updates and see if the direction is heading to what you think you might actually start to enjoy. If you still keep playing, protip. See it as a new game. Which, tbh, it is, and accept it for what it is, not what you think it should be. You'll be much happier either way.

[Vandark]

Most things you say there are blatently wrong.

Really, I'm afraid not.

1.0 was everyone running around doing Leve parties instead of Fates.

I preferred this, party style leveling was actually better IMO and Leves used to give better rewards in 1.23. leveling in 1.0 wasn't good but 1.23 it was awesome.

So you are saying you prefered the lifeless, barren, copypasted, pointless environments of 1.0 as opposed to, albeit smaller, more varied with more things going on in ffxiv arr?

I preferred the older areas because they weren't lifeless, in ARR people only use the outside world to level and gather THATS IT! I'm done leveling and gathering so what I used to enjoy out there no longer exists or is no longer useful in ARR.

[Sapphic]

I'm the minority

Case closed.

[Vandark]

I think ARR is perfect in every way. Nothing could possibly be wrong with this game for it is perfect in everyway and I live in lah lah land where rain drops fill me with rose cheeks of joy and I run in a field on loly pop lain

I already chocobo around and see practically no one outside doing anything in my server, the worlds already becoming a dead zone, something should be done about that.

[Velhart]

I preferred the older areas because they weren't lifeless, in ARR people only use the outside world to level and gather THATS IT! I'm done leveling and gathering so what I used to enjoy out there no longer exists or is no longer useful in ARR.

1.xx's maps were the very definition of lifeless and boring. To add insult to injury, every region was just copy/pasted, Black Shroud being the worst of them all with nothing but mazes where everything looked alike. Even the current developers admitted it and tried to add things in like camps that did not all look the same. Sure a seamless world was created, but at the cost at heavy technical limitations and couldn't add anything anywhere, they shot themselves in the foot and admitted it. Also interesting to note that I have been treasure hunting and doing dailies every day. To say there is no open world content is pretty false at this point. Can choose to like or hate it, but it is there, and likely we will see more added in the future.