Look what just happened in Duty !

[Lyrinn]

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I'd argue that AK/WP runners (not SR) should give a bit of leeway to people too but I can concede on that point; you're going nowhere if you haven't learned everything by the time you reach end-game. My issue, again, is with the people kicking in pre-50 dungeons.

[Nysneirdre]

You shouldn't have to read a guide before you're allowed into an event. There's nothing wrong with learning as you go, in the moment.

Wipes happen. Get over it and help them get better. You'll really make someone's day.

Hey get back to me when you burn 12 hours straight on your day off in Titan HM due to people not being properly prepared and winging the fight.

[AldricBranchais]

I'd argue that AK/WP runners (not SR) should give a bit of leeway to people too but I can concede on that point; you're going nowhere if you haven't learned everything by the time you reach end-game. My issue, again, is with the people kicking in pre-50 dungeons.

Those people should be mounted on the Judas Cradle.

Hey get back to me when you burn 12 hours straight on your day off in Titan HM due to people not being properly prepared and winging the fight.

I would agree with her, if HM Titan were still progression. At this point, not even bothering to look up the multitude of guides on the fight is silly.

[Parodine]

How did they vote out the tank without your vote? I thought it had to be unanimous?

Sorry if that had already been addressed.

[Lyrinn]

How did they vote out the tank without your vote? I thought it had to be unanimous?

Sorry if that had already been addressed.

Majority vote. Four man parties. Player being voted out has no say. 3 voters. Majority is 2.

Since it's only 3 voters, you can't make it require 100% votes either because you'll have the reverse situation where two griefers will duo queue and hit no every time. There's no way to prevent abuse other than through bans.

[Caraway]

Hey get back to me when you burn 12 hours straight on your day off in Titan HM due to people not being properly prepared and winging the fight.

Did anyone make any attempt to explain where people were failing when it happened? Or did people just throw up their hands and say "this isn't going to work I'm done" and then leave duty?

The latter is what I saw more often than not while doing Garuda HM. New people would be in the event and fail someplace and sometimes people would tell them where they screwed up but often not. So the wipe happened again at or around the same point. But want to know the shocking part? When those people were told what was happening and why the party was wiping it stopped happening. They may fail elsewhere as they learned the mechanics but they learned.

Want to know what happened then? One person decided they were done, despite progress being made so the whole party fell apart.

Twelve hours is a lot of time to spend on one fight, but without context I can't help but think it's because the people in those groups didn't want to put in the effort to explain what happened and why it happened.

To the comment from AldricBranchais, what does it matter if it is progression or not? This is a game, and people shouldn't have to do homework before doing a fight. Ask if someone's new to the encounter before you start (something I don't see happening very often unless someone outs themselves) and then give a brief rundown if you feel its important enough they know going into it. Then touch on spots with problems as you go.

Not everyone learns by reading a guide or watching a video after all. Sometimes they have to burn themselves a couple of times to really get it.

[Lumiin]

pre-50 dungeons.

Did not read that part, yeah if someone is actually new, and you're in a low level dungeon it's no need to kick, just leave. Like I said noobs and bads are completely different.

[Lyrinn]

Did not read that part, yeah if someone is actually new, and you're in a low level dungeon it's no need to kick, just leave. Like I said noobs and bads are completely different.

Glad we can agree on that.

If you look in the OP's screenshot, you can see "You find a tiny key." I haven't tried the new HMs or PS yet so I could be wrong, but I assumed it was a lowbie dungeon that this was happening in. I've seen these types of kicks happen too, so when people start coming in and saying things like, "The ToS doesn't say I can't kick for stupid reasons," my blood boils. It should also clarify why I kept insisting on helping or teaching people, as I had newbies in mind when I wrote everything.

[Colt47]

Hey get back to me when you burn 12 hours straight on your day off in Titan HM due to people not being properly prepared and winging the fight.

Hahahaha~! Haha... Ha...

Reality is cruel.

[Telsyr]

Glad we can agree on that.

If you look in the OP's screenshot, you can see "You find a tiny key." I haven't tried the new HMs or PS yet so I could be wrong, but I assumed it was a lowbie dungeon that this was happening in.

It's Haukke Manor (Hard Mode) from the amount of gil and the floor texture.

This topic really isnt going anywhere, and until SE specifically makes a statement elaborating more on the rules of Vote-Kicking, people will continue to blur the lines in either direction.