Look what just happened in Duty !

[Xayoc]

It falls under grief tactics. Looking at the wording in that image, it's certainly grief. You don't kick someone because you think they have low gear, especially with gear requirements in place.

Grief Tactics are considered harassment.

Query: As the majority of the group chose to kick because of insufficient gear and/or skill how is this Grief Tactics?

Statement: During a Garuda EX today the group kicked a WAR because of the fact that an i80 bard pulled hate off of his i85 WAR on Chirada with ease over multiple attempts. The WAR was kicked not out of malicious intent but because the group wanted a win.

Query: How is this in any ways griefing?

Aiming for housing.

Statement: This response is indicative of a high probability of being vote kicked for a similar reason.

Quotation: The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

[MikoteAstra]

The kick system was implemented to deal with afks and people intentionally trying to ruin runs. Contrary to popular belief, being new or mildly undergeared or even being bad is not trolling. If you don't like it, then you are welcome to leave and find a new party, but kicking someone for any of those reasons is abusing the system and subject to suspension/ban.

Well said ! This is what the devs and Yoshi p said on Live Letters couple of times! There is now gear check for the dutys if some of you people forgot about, and to vote someone for low gear is simply inexcusable you must be really low purson to do it ! If you dont like how the other player plays or what gear he has, just leave !

I hope they change the vote system example....only if all the party members agree i mean ALL then to be voted out and that when someone is going to be voted to be visable for him to! It wont be perfect but it will be improvement !

[LordSideKicks]

Many with crap. A few who think everybody should be the same level or better

[SpookyGhost]

Statement: During a Garuda EX today the group kicked a WAR because of the fact that an i80 bard pulled hate off of his i85 WAR on Chirada with ease over multiple attempts. The WAR was kicked not out of malicious intent but because the group wanted a win.

For some strange reason, I have a feeling this wasn't the WAR's fault.

[Ri_ri]

Statement: During a Garuda EX today the group kicked a WAR because of the fact that an i80 bard pulled hate off of his i85 WAR on Chirada with ease over multiple attempts. The WAR was kicked not out of malicious intent but because the group wanted a win.

Query: How is this in any ways griefing?

It may have become much easier to obtain enmity but in that fight the tank have to both Provoke the Spiny, take the harpy and position themselves.

If you're blowing all you have before his axe even reaches the harpy, it is not his fault.

[Xayoc]

It may have become much easier to obtain enmity but in that fight the tank have to both Provoke the Spiny, take the harpy and position themselves.

If you're blowing all you have before his axe even reaches the harpy, it is not his fault.

Query: Than how was it that once said WAR was replaced with another WAR Garuda was one-shot?

For some strange reason, I have a feeling this wasn't the WAR's fault.

Observation: The WAR in question had enough time to get provoke then a butcher's block combo off. The bard in question also had used quelling strikes. As stated above, the fight was one-shot once he was vote-kicked.

[Amiantos]

Query: Than how was it that once said WAR was replaced with another WAR Garuda was one-shot?

Maybe the brd didn't go balls to the wall right off like he did with the other WAR? Give a couple seconds to get hate then start going.

[Lyrinn]

I hope they change the vote system example....only if all the party members agree i mean ALL then to be voted out and that when someone is going to be voted to be visable for him to! It wont be perfect but it will be improvement !

If you require 100% votes to kick someone, then you could potentially have two griefers duo queuing with one hitting no every time. On the other hand, we have the current situation where that same duo can also kick someone out. Unfortunately, since light parties have only 4 people and 3 voters, there's no way around abuse.

[ispano]

Query: As the majority of the group chose to kick because of insufficient gear and/or skill how is this Grief Tactics?

Statement: During a Garuda EX today the group kicked a WAR because of the fact that an i80 bard pulled hate off of his i85 WAR on Chirada with ease over multiple attempts. The WAR was kicked not out of malicious intent but because the group wanted a win.

Query: How is this in any ways griefing?



Statement: This response is indicative of a high probability of being vote kicked for a similar reason.

Quotation: The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

Make a premade, you can boot people as you please in those. If it's a DF run, you don't get to decide the skill of the people who join and get to play with you.

[Xayoc]

Maybe the brd didn't go balls to the wall right off like he did with the other WAR? Give a couple seconds to get hate then start going.

Observation: As the bard in question put up more DPS in that kill that is highly unlikely although plausible. However, six attempts were made with the WAR that was kicked and he had the same hate problems for all 6 of them.

Make a premade, you can boot people as you please in those. If it's a DF run, you don't get to decide the skill of the people who join and get to play with you.

Observation: Party finder groups on Sargatanas tend towards being worse than DF PUGs. This one did not decide on the skill of one individual the unanimous consent of the other 7 members did.