Make FFXIV more like FFXI and less like WoW

[Gideon]

If you liked WoW's design it will be a good thing. If you favored Final Fantasy 11's design it will be a bad thing.

That's the whole point of the OP's post. He/she is saying this game is modeled after WoW rather than its predecessor. And that is true. And how you can say that is staying true to FF with a straight face is beyond me. They stayed true to World of Warcraft. Not Final Fantasy.

FFXI is still live. Why should FFXIV be the same thing? New graphics engine? That's quite an expensive expansion for something with less than 200,000 subscribers. These "wow-like" changes have been part of the reason FFXIV has been able to reach 1.5M+ subscribers. Kind of hard to justify rolling back. While we're at it why don't we do a visual upgrade to pong? Gameplay must increment, improve, change as the audience grows/changes.

[MageBlack]

FFXI is still live. Why should FFXIV be the same thing? New graphics engine? That's quite an expensive expansion for something with less than 200,000 subscribers. These "wow-like" changes have been part of the reason FFXIV has been able to reach 1.5M+ subscribers. Kind of hard to justify rolling back. While we're at it why don't we do a visual upgrade to pong? Gameplay must increment, improve, change as the audience grows/changes.

Exactly. Why would SE want to compete with themselves for subs?

WoW is still live too. So your argument kind of defeats itself.

No it doesn't. My above comment clarifies it.

Get a few features from FFXI into this game? Maybe, but to turn it into FFXI-2 they would have to shut down FFXI first.

[Dale]

Exactly. Why would SE want to compete with themselves for subs?

Think about what you just said MageBlack. Did you see what Final Fantasy 11 looked like population wise right after Final Fantasy 14 was released? Because SE is doing exactly what you are suggesting they shouldn't.

[MageBlack]

Think about what you just said MageBlack. Did you see what Final Fantasy 11 looked like population wise right after Final Fantasy 14 was released? Because SE is doing exactly what you are suggesting they shouldn't.

Well, forget I said anything then. I would love to explain myself but it would take way to long to get anything through to you. Take care and keep up the good fight.

[Dale]

Well, forget I said anything then. I would love to explain myself but it would take way to long to get anything through to you. Take care and keep up the good fight.

Lol or you could just admit that SE is already competing with themselves for subscriptions so your argument made no sense

[Gideon]

Lol or you could just admit that SE is already competing with themselves for subscriptions so your argument made no sense

Aren't you making the point FFXI and FFXIV are fundamentally different games? One being more asian-influenced grind and one being more wow-influenced accessible then they aren't directly competing with each other, else there would be no point for both games to exist. Now you're stating they are competing with each other? MageBlack makes a fair point. Just because one did get negatively impacted by the release of a new game doesnt really imply they are directly competing with themselves. They are competing with the MMO community as a whole.

MageBlack is correct.

[Dale]

MageBlack is correct.

No he isn't.

He said SE shouldn't compete with themselves for subscriptions. Yet the release of Final Fantasy 14 has hurt the population of Final Fantasy 11 dramatically. So that is exactly what they have done.

Yes, they are different games. But they are still both Final Fantasy games, and they are essentially competing with themselves for subscriptions. It was a flawed argument that collapsed on itself.

[MageBlack]

Lol or you could just admit that SE is already competing with themselves for subscriptions so your argument made no sense

Only in the sense that is has the Final Fantasy name and it is an MMO. In that context it is also competing with every other MMO out there and all the previous Final Fantasies. When ARR came out there was also a drop in subs for most other MMO's, just like the release of any new MMO. You are trying to build a strawman around special pleading to get your point across. I think you have much stronger grounds to get things you would like in the game than following this red herring.

Just trying to help you build a better argument.

[Dale]

Only in the sense that is has the Final Fantasy name and it is an MMO. In that context it is also competing with every other MMO out there and all the previous Final Fantasies. When ARR came out there was also a drop in subs for most other MMO's, just like the release of any new MMO. You are trying to build a strawman around special pleading to get your point across. I think you have much stronger grounds to get things you would like in the game than following this red herring.

Just trying to help you build a better argument.

Like I said Mage, you can't say they made Final Fantasy 14 like WoW because they didn't want to compete with themselves for subscriptions when that is exactly what they are already doing. That just makes no sense to me.

Secondly, it's not the same as other Final Fantasies in the sense these are the only two Final Fantasy games that require subscriptions that are online. So they are going to compete with another a lot more directly than previous Final Fantasies did. Not many people are going to want to doll out a monthly fee for two different games.

And I appreciate you trying to help me make a better argument. That is sweet. But this was your argument/strawman. Not mine. I was just disagreeing with it. And the only reason I am even talking about this angle is because you brought it up.

Personally I don't think competition between the two games had anything to do with their decision. SE just wanted to jump on the WoW bandwagon hoping for bigger profits like so many other MMORPGs have done. And I don't buy this theory of yours that it was done to accommodate Final Fantasy 11. But you - and others - can believe this if you want. But I am pretty sure it was just another tired attempt to emulate WoW hoping to get a piece of their action.

[Dale]

FFXI is still live. Why should FFXIV be the same thing?

WoW is still live too. So your argument kind of defeats itself.

And no one is asking for a copy of Final Fantasy 11. They are simply asking for something that followed in similar fashion rather another WoW imitator.