@ WHM who stoneskin whole party

[Hitome]

Wasting your time stone skinning pre-fight? guess what, it would be an even BIGGER waste of time if I steal hate with that one or two extra Medica(s) and cause people to panic

You're one of those useless WHMs who starts casting medica 2 right after a big AoE when whispering dawn is already on everyone and everyone is at 85%, aren't you? If you pull aggro on Titan Ex with one medica, your tanks are doing something wrong.

Also, know what shroud is? No? Sounds about right.

Edit: My apologies: looks like you don't do Titan Ex.

[warren-ragnarok]

just stop it, most of the time its just wasted anyways.

^ this complainer here

its why we cant have nice things D:

[Brises]

I cast stoneskin on the full party between fights. I still end up with 100% mp. So it's hardly a waste. As for recasting during a fight... that depends. I never recast on the tank until the fight is nearly over so he/she has it during the next pull. This is mainly so there is a damage buffer so the tank can get agro before I need to start healing. Other party members, again it's a buffer for when they take a hit. Sometimes it doesn't happen for a while, but it helps me stay focused on the tank, and other members won't take too much damage before I can focus on them. On a fight like Titan, I pre cast then forget about it. The fight becomes too busy to worry about it after it starts. Sure it doesn't help much. But you still start with full mp, so why not?

[NintenPyjak64]

You're one of those useless WHMs who doesn't look to see if whispering dawn is on or succor is being casted by the other healer, aren't you? If you pull aggro on Titan Ex with one medica, your tanks are doing something wrong.

Also, know what shroud is? No? Sounds about right.

Please read. I said "one or two extra Medica(s)" When in Titan HM I'm juggling 3rd to 5th place agro and I never need shroud to reset hate, I'd feel it's better used for the MP regen. Please don't assume my playstyle when you >CLEARLY< don't know. The attitude you're giving off is not helping either

[Hitome]

Please read. I said "one or two extra Medica(s)" When in Titan HM I'm juggling 3rd to 5th place agro and I never need shroud to reset hate, I'd feel it's better used for the MP regen. Please don't assume my playstyle when you >CLEARLY< don't know. The attitude you're giving off is not helping either

I really hate WHMs like you. You're a healer who doesn't coordinate/watch the other healer to perform complimentary actions. Instead, taking it upon yourself to do the work of both healers.

As a SCH, the first thing I do on phase 1 tumults is cast succor. This means all you need to do is cast medica. Do you medica twice like an incompetent WHM? Why would I assume anything about your playstyle when you've told me exactly what you do.

He tumults several times during phase 1 which can all be handled with 1 medica and 1 succor or 1 medica from each WHM or two succors. Not once do you have to cast more than medica 1 before post-heart death.

I would really like another trait for WHMs that allows you to cast an AoE version of stoneskin outside of combat: similar to the SCH version in FF11. When doing multiple attempts on a learning fight like Titan Ex, it's such a waste of time to wait for stoneskin when tanks never have aggro issues and the first tumult can be covered by one medica and one succor/rous'd whispering dawn.

[Jyoeru]

I stopped doing it except for MT during 8-man content. As OP says, however impolitely he may have so done, it is a huge time sink, and frequently unnecessary. I had someone tell me to SS during Garuda EX, and I told them my cure III was more than enough to deal with the aoe heal need for the first part of that fight. I'd rather cast two Cure IIIs up front to heal when needed than to cast 8x stoneskin every time we start the fight. Nothing wrong with that.

[JonFarron]

*teeth and fangs*

You're really assuming things here. In Titan HM, not every tank is super geared, what if you're helping a tank get their relic? Do you know how hard it is for a tank that isn't relic to keep aggro from a fully geared healer? That stoneskin in the beginning allows the WHM to skip a Medica (assuming theres a SCH in the party who can Succor it) effectively lowering their hate in the beginning considerably. What if you're solo healing? (Which is very possible for a geared WHM to do, if there's a Bard in the party) That stoneskin prevents a Medica, you can instead wait until the next tumults or jump. Solo healing WHMs draw MASSIVE aggro, and every bit counts. But you wouldn't know, considering your WHM isn't 50 yet.

Get your WHM to 50 before you start trashing WHMs. Unfortunately, we actually have a mana bar and have to manage hate unlike Scholars.

I stopped doing it except for MT during 8-man content. As OP says, however impolitely he may have so done, it is a huge time sink, and frequently unnecessary. I had someone tell me to SS during Garuda EX, and I told them my cure III was more than enough to deal with the aoe heal need for the first part of that fight. I'd rather cast two Cure IIIs up front to heal when needed than to cast 8x stoneskin every time we start the fight. Nothing wrong with that.

Except for the fact that you effectively just wasted 1000 MP vs waiting a mere 24 seconds to cast SS on everyone before the fight for 0 MP.

[Jyoeru]

Except for the fact that you effectively just wasted 1000 MP vs waiting a mere 24 seconds to cast SS on everyone before the fight for 0 MP.

Where's your proof? You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Let me walk you through my logic here:

Fight starts. 15 seconds later, she AOEs. One Cure III gets everyone up to full. Nothing more to do until after she jumps. Mana is up to full.

Let me clarify my point a little: if there is a clear benefit to fully casting SS on the whole party beforehand, and I am not in a DF pug, I will do it. Otherwise, no thanks. I don't really have issues with mana management, but that might be my play style. If anything hurts my mana stores for that fight, it's casting Holy a few times on plumes.

Anyway, thanks for discrediting my point of view. Good job!

EDIT: Sorry, I just refuse to spam a pointless pre-heal that shouldn't even be a single target buff. I'd rather SS cost 3x as much and AOE everyone. Anyway, I use it situationally in a fight, such as before sisters pop on OT/MT and before wheel. But, sorry, I am not going to spend 30 seconds target/casting SS on people when there really is no need, or the group is likely going to wipe over and over anyway. SS won't do anything to avoid learning curve wipes.

Why am I defending myself? I am doing it right.

[Marcusow86]

IMO, stoneskin is never a waste of time to cast pre-fight. You will never know what might happen during fight. Maybe stoneskin will save everyone in a dire situation, you might never know.

Better be safe than sorry is my way of life.

I am a SCH and stone skin before the fight. Hack, i even stone skin during the fight just because i can. 10% on a WAR is a lot of damage mitigation and i do it during fight transition. If you are just being lazy not to stone skin and instead label it as unnecessary and a waste of time, maybe being a healer is not for you.

[Kinseykinz]

Those saying it's a waste of time just don't get the first rule of healing: Better safe than sorry.

Where's your proof? You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Let me walk you through my logic here:

Fight starts. 15 seconds later, she AOEs. One Cure III gets everyone up to full. Nothing more to do until after she jumps. Mana is up to full.


EDIT: Sorry, I just refuse to spam a pointless pre-heal that shouldn't even be a single target buff. I'd rather SS cost 3x as much and AOE everyone. Anyway, I use it situationally in a fight, such as before sisters pop on OT/MT and before wheel. But, sorry, I am not going to spend 30 seconds target/casting SS on people when there really is no need, or the group is likely going to wipe over and over anyway. SS won't do anything to avoid learning curve wipes.

Why am I defending myself? I am doing it right.

Except: The only target that should need any cure at all from you as a WHM (assuming there's a SCH in the party) is the MT. The SCH's healing does more than enough and you can, get this, use that 1000 MP you say will 'regen before I need it anyway' in CS DDing Garuda.

Not only that: How many times have you missed someone with that Cure III. Because if you cast it right before she disappears, Melee and Tanks are out of range, if you cast it when people stack and hide...very rarely does everyone stack on the same side. (which yeah shame on them, but healers adjust to the party)

Oh and as to calling it a pointless preheal: I can actually keep my WAR tank friend alive on many low-heal things in full Cleric's stance with just SS's. Single-target 18% damage mitigation is nothing to sneeze at. And the pro to SS is unless I am missing something, unlike your cures, it's not effected by CS. So you can even cast it without having to go in and out of CS like you do with a cure. Does this work for everything? No. But it can eat a crap-ton of damage you're not giving it any credit for.

And no, making it party wide would either gimp it or give WHM something too similar to SCH's tool kit. It's fine single target.

As to the attitude: 'well they're learning they're just gonna wipe anyway' How would you like it if DD's and Tanks took that attitude. Oh, it doesn't matter if I get out of the AoE damage, we're just practicing anyway...Oh who cares if I did the proper rotation...wear the proper gear...use my Defense cooldowns effectively.... Part of the learning curve IS knowing how much damage is going to happen to everyone in each phase of the battle. SE gives WHMs (and SCH's) a tool that helps them keep their hate low and basically gives every party member a 'free hit'. Why wouldn't you take a couple seconds (time when people are chatting anyway) to just prebuff the inevitable?


If it was so bloody pointless, every SCH and tank I know wouldn't be casting it so much.


And yes, in dungeons I have SS on the tank before every pull...every time, last mob has 10-15% health I'm casting SS so tank without missing a beat can grab next set, Why? Because that gives me about 10 seconds where I can Repose/DD/virus or chill until they need a heal. I have SS on the party before they enter the boss room in every dungeon as well...again pre-casting during last mob before entrance's dead.

So maybe, instead of saying it's a time-eater or wasteful spell, learn to time your usage better.