White Mage is Poorly designed compared to Scholar

[BrodyAlgana]

I play both SCH and WHM. I say WHM is better overall. However, that is strictly because it fits how I like to play better. I have no trouble burst healing tanks, AND I can heal the whole group by a lot. But I have some fun with SCH too.

I just wish people would stop badmouthing one over the other before square completely screws up BOTH. Just pick one and play it and have fun with the GAME....

[Eriane]

I relent then. It seems like a lot to setup for your burst healing though. hit 4 abilities. with Fey illumination on a 2 min CD. If you can, could you show some numbers? I'd like to compare in a 5 second window how much healing can be done. Without proof (not being cynical, i just like to compare numbers) i only see SCH having a huge advantage with Lustrate. (i am a bit jealous over that ability and it's utility)
"Your cure 2 crits, great, if adlo crits the shield is doubled." Why are we talking about unreliable RNG?


If Benediction actually was instant, then a lot of BS deaths would have been avoided.

I use PoM because it's there. It's an incredibly bad/lackluster ability, but it's still there, so not using it would be a waste.


I like the idea of Medica II being just an AoE regen, as that's what i ever use it for anyway.

It really is lustrate that just gives sch that edge in burst. I can do some testing later with healing buffs, ds and fey etc. I will say that fey illumination being a party buff does lend for some interesting synergies between whm and sch.

But like I mentioned earlier, on my whm my cure 2 does on average 1740-1780, 1800 on a really good day.
With less gear the sch does physick and embrace for roughly 1650-1700 for half the mana. For the record I have about 40-50 more mind than this sch and more det.

Then factor in aldo (which is close to a cure 2 on its own with the shield), used in a rotation right after boss attacks its very effective, not just for pre-shielding.

Just a fun thing, yesterday I was playing around with fey and rouse and the stupid fairy was healing for 1k. It kinda made me sad. Non-crit.

[Eriane]

I play both SCH and WHM. I say WHM is better overall. However, that is strictly because it fits how I like to play better. I have no trouble burst healing tanks, AND I can heal the whole group by a lot. But I have some fun with SCH too.

I just wish people would stop badmouthing one over the other before square completely screws up BOTH. Just pick one and play it and have fun with the GAME....

I love the whm, its fun. But to say its better because of how you like to play? Which way is that?

Pushing less buttons? That I can understand, constantly having to micro a pet's casts and placement is fun but not for everyone.

I don't think anyone is saying that whm can't burst heal tanks, simply that sch do it better. And then when you actually get to endgame and are dealing with healing debuffs... well. sigh.

Speaking of poorly designed. Why don't whm have a better tool than stoneskin for dealing with infirmity?

[Sebazy]

I love the whm, its fun. But to say its better because of how you like to play? Which way is that?

Can't speak directly for Brody, but I prefer whm simply because it fits me, I've been full time healing in MMOs going back some 15 years. The whole mitigation healing thing is comparatively recent and I'm just not as comfortable or natural with shields as I am with good old fashioned big heals and HoTs.

Speaking of poorly designed. Why don't whm have a better tool than stoneskin for dealing with infirmity?

The same reason sch don't have a better tool than succor/rouse/wd for dealing with T5 fireballs.

[sharazisspecial]

The same reason sch don't have a better tool than succor/rouse/wd for dealing with T5 fireballs.

Lustrate the conflagee and sacred soil(if you are double sch) to reduce incoming damage.

I think pre succor, soil , rouse,embrace, whispering dawn, lustrate is pretty good for dealing with fireball/conflag?

Rouse -dawn ticks harder then divine medica 2.

[Eriane]

Lustrate the conflagee and sacred soil(if you are double sch) to reduce incoming damage.

I think pre succor, soil , rouse,embrace, whispering dawn, lustrate is pretty good for dealing with fireball/conflag?

Rouse -dawn ticks harder then divine medica 2.

It ticks for about the amount the old medica 2 used to tick for, and for longer.

The same reason sch don't have a better tool than succor/rouse/wd for dealing with T5 fireballs.

lol? Because sch/sch wipe on twin because of fireballs...?

Succor/rouse/WD > old medica 2. Which was just fine for healing fireballs.

But like I said I can understand playing the class you are more comfortable with. In that regard obviously the performance with the class that you like will be higher. I also like doing things myself as whm but after playing around on a sch, when I'm on the whm i feel so limited. The toolkit just needs a little work.

[whiskeybravo]

I've been thinking about leveling up acn to try out sch healing as opposed to whm. I'm just little reluctant due to pet managing. I have felt overwhelmed with healing at times (like DPS taking unnecessary damage during Cads fight/Titan HM) and it just seems like managing a pet and maximizing with acn damage/debuff spells is not going to be any less overwhelming in some instances. I like the idea, and it sounds fun, I just don't know if I would be good at it lol

[Eriane]

I've been thinking about leveling up acn to try out sch healing as opposed to whm. I'm just little reluctant due to pet managing. I have felt overwhelmed with healing at times (like DPS taking unnecessary damage during Cads fight/Titan HM) and it just seems like managing a pet and maximizing with acn damage/debuff spells is not going to be any less overwhelming in some instances. I like the idea, and it sounds fun, I just don't know if I would be good at it lol

I recommend a pet mouseover macro if you are on pc, if on ps3 just assign embrace to a comfortable button. On a whm when casting a heal you just sit while its casting anyway, use that time to also heal with the fairy or even pick a different target for the fairy to heal while you are casting.

Those times where you feel overwhelmed? In my opinion as a whm its very frustrating because I have to use a gcd for everything, even regen. Once you get comfortable with just knowing your toolkit you find you have options. If you have a dps who is particularly keen on getting hit for example, you may decide to throw an adlo on them for the shield. Lustrate is an amazing spell for saving the day. You might surprise yourself.

I do personally strongly dislike sch dps lol.

But as far as dmg mitigation, using virus and eye are just like on whm, they are just better/shorter cd. You actually have the mana to use stoneskin even if it is 10% should you want to as long as you manage your aetherflow and charges. If you are a good whm you'll do fine. Suddenly you'll have mana! and not be in danger of pulling threat, (although the tank threat ceiling raise did help with that).

Plus, its much easier to level now if you hate fate grinding.

[koikitty]

Sch receive i would say 1.5 - 2.5 x the mana to work with in a fight compared to whm. Due to aetherflow scaling with mana, being a 1min cooldown compared to SS 2min cooldown. Sch also having access to free healing from fairy and lustrate.

A sch can simply heal more, dps more, prebuff more,raise more. A whm will be holding back to some extent.

Ive learned to solo heal alot so the other white mage can dps, when it comes down to longer fights i keep hearing the sch say they ran out of lustrates?

[Eriane]

Ive learned to solo heal alot so the other white mage can dps, when it comes down to longer fights i keep hearing the sch say they ran out of lustrates?

Run out? It uses an Aetherflow charge, you get 3 charges a minute.