Make FFXIV more like FFXI and less like WoW

[Shadex]

I think you have your chronology mismatched if you think FF XIV is a regression of MMO Game evolutions.

That was kind of the point. The hands of time spin on yet game development with some titles rolls backwards or stays stagnant. But as I have said before. It is all moot here really as Yoshi was very clear he was here to make a cookie cutter mass appeal game. *shrug* Doesn't make the game bad, just meh.

[Doo]

True, but it's a lot more profitable if they do. Which is why they made FFXIV the way they did.

For sure but the ones that tried to copy all went to f2p model now. Just like McDonald's is not better than In N Out burgers just because they try to appeal to more consumers! Players have different tastes in games, the more players you try to satisfy, the less you actually satisfy. Blizzard is a rare case because they know how to do it.

[koikitty]

vasdeferens -
wtf like WoW?
Excuse me, but I wouldn't be playing this if it was as boring as WoW. Pls use other referances to make a pointless statement.

[Shadex]

True, but it's a lot more profitable if they do. Which is why they made FFXIV the way they did.

It is hit or miss. Look at Star Citizen. That is going to be a very niche game and they are already rolling in around 30 million dollars almost completely player backed. Now think of all the money they will make once it goes live. There is money out there and money to be had from players not looking for another themepark. The reason Square did what they did is because it was 'safe'. That's all really. They had a huge blunder with 1.0 and were not about to chance another one by doing anything risky. So they went super safe with the Do It Yourself Western MMO Kit. Hey it worked. Good reviews and lots of players. Doesn't mean the game isn't good. It just means the game isn't as good as it could have been.

[Reeth]

For sure but the ones that tried to copy all went to f2p model now. Just like McDonald's is not better than In N Out burgers just because they try to appeal to more consumers!

Oh I agree, One of the biggest reasons is because WoW was king of MMO's for so long that everyone pretty much just started following suit. Granted this game is healthy enough that I doubt it'll go F2P for a while.

[Reeth]

It is hit or miss. Look at Star Citizen. That is going to be a very niche game and they are already rolling in around 30 million dollars almost completely player backed. Now think of all the money they will make once it goes live. There is money out there and money to be had from players not looking for another themepark. The reason Square did what they did is because it was 'safe'. That's all really. They had a huge blunder with 1.0 and were not about to chance another one by doing anything risky. .

True, but there have also been pretty Niche games that have tanked. But as you said, making it easy and appealing to the masses was the safest way to go after the 1.0 blunder. I'm ok with the end product that we got. It's not the game I was excited for when I heard they were rebooting it, but it's good enough for the time being that I enjoy playing it.

[Shadex]

True, but there have also been pretty Niche games that have tanked. But as you said, making it easy and appealing to the masses was the safest way to go after the 1.0 blunder. I'm ok with the end product that we got. It's not the game I was excited for when I heard they were rebooting it, but it's good enough for the time being that I enjoy playing it.

Exactly Reeth, perfectly stated. This is absolutely not the game many real FF fans were hoping for. The spiritual FFXI-2 if you will. But it is passable. But passable only keeps people for so long and then bye bye to all those subs and money. You know, we also have to think about mass appeal games that tanked. Looked at the SWtoR debacle. All that money, a sure fire win IP... and *BOOM* (flames). So sometimes it can go either way. But as you said, we will hang here for a bit before we move on.

[Reeth]

Exactly Reeth, perfectly stated. This is absolutely not the game many real FF fans were hoping for. The spiritual FFXI-2 if you will. But it is passable. But passable only keeps people for so long and then bye bye to all those subs and money. You know, we also have to think about mass appeal games that tanked. Looked at the SWtoR debacle. All that money, a sure fire win IP... and *BOOM* (flames). So sometimes it can go either way. But as you said, we will hang here for a bit before we move on.

Thankfully this game has kept me longer than SWTOR, It had a great story, but that was it. But i'm still optimistic that this game will get better, however if its more of the same a few content patches down the road, I may look elsewhere.

[Ahzarhuuk]

Exactly Reeth, perfectly stated. This is absolutely not the game many real FF fans were hoping for. The spiritual FFXI-2 if you will. But it is passable. But passable only keeps people for so long and then bye bye to all those subs and money. You know, we also have to think about mass appeal games that tanked. Looked at the SWtoR debacle. All that money, a sure fire win IP... and *BOOM* (flames). So sometimes it can go either way. But as you said, we will hang here for a bit before we move on.

Having the IP and all of the money means nothing. SWtOR Suffered because of horrendous imbalincing issues that were left unaddressed long enough for it to cause them sub losses, and the fact that they blew most of their budget on their Voice Actors.

That it was associated with Electronic Arts didn't help the Customer Support department at all either.

[Shadex]

Having the IP and all of the money means nothing. SWtOR Suffered because of horrendous imbalincing issues that were left unaddressed long enough for it to cause them sub losses, and the fact that they blew most of their budget on their Voice Actors.

Exactly. Having the Final Fantasy IP with all of its rabid fanbase and a bunch of money to rebuild 14 doesn't guarentee it's a good game. Poor design decisions or lack of compelling content beyond a raid treadmill left unaddressed for long enough will cause sub loss. Interesting factoid, just before launch the SWtoR devs said of their beta testers that their opinions really didn't matter and that they had long ago decided how the game was going to be made but it was important for the testers to feel they had an impact. Yoshi's recent 'deal with it' post regarding his decision on FC housing prices was an uncomfortable parallel.