Thrill of Battle

[Amas]

I play on ps3 and use a controller... does that mean I'm lazy by default?

Yes. Sorry.

I appreciate that PS3 permits a wider user base and that the Cross hotbar is as close to acceptable a control scheme as anyone's ever devised, but SE's unfathomable decision not to permit keyboard+mouse for a GCD MMO means that you're willingly playing at a disadvantage if you choose to go the console route. You can justify the decision to go console any way you wish, but there's not a single one I've ever heard that I wouldn't ultimately classify under lazy for one reason or another.

Like I said, lazy is okay. But call a spade a spade.

[whiskeybravo]

but SE's unfathomable decision not to permit keyboard+mouse for a GCD MMO means that you're willingly playing at a disadvantage if you choose to go the console route..

How does a GCD negatively impact a console player? Being a PS3 player myself I can think of/have experienced several disadvantages. But this? There is GCD regardless of console or PC, so how is that a specific disadvantage to console owners?

Sitting at a computer desk is every bit as lazy as playing on the couch.

[Zoomie]

You can justify the decision to go console any way you wish, but there's not a single one I've ever heard that I wouldn't ultimately classify under lazy for one reason or another.

Like I said, lazy is okay. But call a spade a spade.

Am I misinterpreting this or am I reading epic levels of douchery here? Reason like, "not everyone can afford to buy a PC just to play FFXIV on", "lots of younger people who were gifted a PS3 don't own a PC capable". You classify both of those as lazy?

Hell... its a game. People can play a "game" however they want. I personally play on a PC, I'm mostly a PC gamer and will agree that PC is vastly superior, that being said... you sir/ma'am are a dick.

[Amas]

Am I misinterpreting this or am I reading epic levels of douchery here? Reason like, "not everyone can afford to buy a PC just to play FFXIV on", "lots of younger people who were gifted a PS3 don't own a PC capable". You classify both of those as lazy?

Hell... its a game. People can play a "game" however they want. I personally play on a PC, I'm mostly a PC gamer and will agree that PC is vastly superior, that being said... you sir/ma'am are a dick.

The topic of this thread is around optimal performance in an MMO. Optimal performance precludes the PS3, as between the graphics and input limitations, you are always significantly behind the 8-ball. I would never tank on PS3 or accept a PS3 tank into any progression setting, because I simply don't think it's possible to play at an acceptable level on such a compromised platform.

Maybe I am a dick, but I think your ability to play a "game" however you want ends the moment you inconvenience someone else. Single player games? Fine, do what you want. A game where 3, 7, or 23 other people could suffer due to your platform limitations (especially in a role like tanking or healing, which tend to be less forgiving of error by nature)? Not acceptable.

I always struggle to understand the sense of entitlement people seem to have around their own enjoyment in a multiplayer environment. Those other party members are no less important than you, and if enjoying a game your own way makes their experience less fun, you're the jerk.

[TurboSol]

The topic of this thread is around optimal performance in an MMO.

lol, actually I'm pretty sure the topic of THIS thread was using ToB and whether or not to macro it a commonly used ability...

[whiskeybravo]

blah blah blah

Actually, the thread was about thrill of battle, hence the title, before it derailed into a discussion of macros and hence performance. I totally understand your point that if the tank or healer is lagging due to their system that it can be detrimental to the team, but the same could be said of a someone using and older, slower computer. Or even someone with a slower net connection. So you expect everyone to go out and buy the best of the best so your personal gameplay is not affected? That's not douchey at all, no.

[Zoomie]

The topic of this thread is around optimal performance in an MMO.

No... its not. Please reread it. Thanks!

I would never tank on PS3 or accept a PS3 tank into any progression setting, because I simply don't think it's possible to play at an acceptable level on such a compromised platform.

I can accept this an your opinion and option as far as recruiting tanks goes. I've played in all manner of guilds across the years and can appreciate an extreme min-max setting. While that's not how my FC is managed I can understand your POV. To each their own.

Maybe I am a dick, but I think your ability to play a "game" however you want ends the moment you inconvenience someone else. Single player games? Fine, do what you want. A game where 3, 7, or 23 other people could suffer due to your platform limitations (especially in a role like tanking or healing, which tend to be less forgiving of error by nature)? Not acceptable.

My issue with this is that if you yourself are playing with console players I'm guessing its in Duty Finder groups? Using the Duty Finder basically says "anything goes". SE allows for console players and you're accepting that you may encounter them by using Duty Finder.

I always struggle to understand the sense of entitlement people seem to have around their own enjoyment in a multiplayer environment. Those other party members are no less important than you, and if enjoying a game your own way makes their experience less fun, you're the jerk.

I can also agree with this to an extremely limited extent. Yes there is a limit to "its a game" and people need to be respectful of others and their enjoyment. However that's not what you said in your previous post. You stated that all console player across the board are lazy for doing so and should be playing on a PC. That is simply not true and is a very limited POV as well as the aforementioned "douchery".

Want to recruit PC only players for your FC? Go for it... Do ANYTHING outside your FC and you take the risk of encountering console players which you willingly accept by doing so... so deal with it. Maybe go play an MMO that doesn't support console as you're apparently incapable of dealing with it and are doing nothing but negatively effecting the community if this is how you always conduct yourself.

[TurboSol]

but SE's unfathomable decision not to permit keyboard+mouse for a GCD MMO means that you're willingly playing at a disadvantage if you choose to go the console route.

just throwing this out there.. I'm pretty sure you can use mouse abd keyboard to play on ps3, but using it for 1 game doesn't make it financially viable for me personally. and another, if using a ps3 means I'm "willing to play at a disadvantage" man's I'm lazy... if I'm playing at a 'disadvantage' that would mean I have to work harder to be 'on par', so by default, that would not be laziness... having to switch between hotbars to use the abilities I need to, while keeping up with rotations, while keeping track of what's going on.. rather than having every ability on screen that I could just point and click... doesn't sound too lazy to me.... js