Quote Originally Posted by wildgalax View Post
Ive seen parties crumble even with what they term the best party makeup, gear, skills, food, etc. So with more people with that thinking it doesn't surprise me.
This is poor logic. Just because bad things happen when you give yourself the best chances, doesn't mean you stop giving yourself the best chances. If Swiftcast is useful a non-zero amount of the time (and we can all agree on at least that much right), then why would you choose not to get it? That 1% difference may not seem like much to you (and if you think it's ONLY 1% then you clearly haven't ever actually used Swiftcast) but how can you deny that if you're in that unlikely scenario and don't have Swiftcast that you didn't hold your team back?

I prefer not to be held back even 1% of the time. I prefer to play my classes to their full potential. To me the attitude of "I'm going to do the bare minimum" is more harmful than not having Swiftcast. Players without this attitude get Swiftcast. Arguments about this not being a job and about how this is just a game are not relevant. You care. I care. If we didn't care, we wouldn't be posting. Something doesn't have to be your job for you to want to work hard to do your best at it. Besides, in the game world, healing IS your JOB. And calling someone an elitist is just ad hominem arguing. I can totally get that some people in this thread are coming off as elitists but it doesn't make them wrong. Certainly people should understand that even if getting Swiftcast is a time sink they don't want to bother with (Of what a few hours? In the long run they'll save more than that) that losing fights you should win because the healer doesn't have Swiftcast (yes it does happen) wastes time as well.

The difference is that the time you spend to get Swiftcast is a one-time payment vs. the days/months/years your group is losing time because you don't have key skills. It's not just about Swiftcast + rez as many have noted either. Swiftcast makes all your spells better. But on the subject of rezzing, anyone who thinks that they can rez someone just as easily without Swiftcast is blatantly lying to themselves and/or never fought any of the HM Primals or beyond. You generally don't have time. You either have to move to avoid attacks or you stand there not healing the rest of your group for several seconds.

Lastly, getting dead players back into a fight (i.e. players now contributing nothing) weakened or not, makes a huge difference. The whole argument that if they had played perfectly, they wouldn't BE dead, falls flat, because nobody can play perfectly all the time. However, everyone doesn't have to be perfect to win a fight and you shouldn't limit your groups successes to only those times where everyone does play perfectly.

What it all boils down to is this simple logic: You can win more with Swiftcast. Does anyone want to win less?!