If you are a WHM without Swiftcast, you are holding back your team at endgame

[Jyoeru]

nah, this thread is about u gimping ur healer without swiftcast just get it. doesnt even take that long. i dont know why u guys are so adamant about getting this lvl 26 cross skill. kinda trivial to get such a useful skill

Gimping is such an unnecessary word I guess. We are in agreement on the benefits, just not on the urgency. A WHM should get the skill, there's absolutely no reason not to because it is useful. Sure. But they aren't hurting anyone by not having it. That's my point. They simply aren't. Your party is worse off if it has to have this skill to get by on, in my view.

[Skotie]

Swiftcast allows you to use cast faster overall, whether you're running the role of dps or healer, because you can regularly cast a spell instantly that would take longer otherwise, be it a Medica or whatnot. And good luck tank swapping or peeling enmity without Provoke.

Please stop making up excuses like "these abilities are only good for mistakes."

It's weaksauce, and the only excuse for not having them after a certain point in time is laziness.

It's not an excuse at all though that's what you don't seem to understand. There is no one shot move in the game that randomly kills someone requireing an instantious heal or ressurection that cannot be avoided. If people are playing thier roles correctly it isn't needed so seriously stop acting like an improvement is a requirement.

Edit. On swapping without provoke I don't suppose both tanks could keep similar aggro levels and one stop attacking when they needed to swap while the other continues could they? Nah not possible right?

[wildgalax]

I am clueless here... fresh 50 yes, it's okay you can go without any cross class do wp/ak just fine, but you can go with all the tools that you have Swiftcast/raise-protect-medica-cure2/3-stoneskin-holy why you don't want to have it?
Also if you want to do some difficult endgame like coil good look without your cross class abilities...

not sure what players your grouping with but already did all end game content without eye and all with the exception of t5 without swiftcast, which i didnt even need.

[Hitome]

Nah, why don't you all grab cure instead.

BLM can only cross class physick. My scholar prefers physick over cure.

My SCH also isn't a gimp without swiftcast.

[Leon_Stormrage]

not sure what players your grouping with but already did all end game content without eye and all with the exception of t5 without swiftcast, which i didnt even need.

Try to do it now with your dps and tanks withouts they cross class skills too and tell me
Also... you never used swiftcast/cure3 after a fireball in T5? It's a good moment to use it

[Moirear]

It's not an excuse at all though that's what you don't seem to understand. There is no one shot move in the game that randomly kills someone requireing an instantious heal or ressurection that cannot be avoided. If people are playing thier roles correctly it isn't needed so seriously stop acting like an improvement is a requirement.

Again, at the risk of pointlessly repeating myself one more time, the only situation where cross-class skills fundamentally matter, is endgame. Swiftcast is not just useful for correcting mistakes, but casting every spell because over time, you will be casting spells must faster.

[Shizato]

Again, at the risk of pointlessly repeating myself one more time, the only situation where cross-class skills fundamentally matter, is endgame. Swiftcast is not just useful for correcting mistakes, but casting every spell because over time, you will be casting spells must faster.

useful =/= required... no one is arguing that it is not useful, they are pointing out that its not required by healers at any point in the game

[Jyoeru]

Oh boy here comes the "it's just a video game" jib. If that is the case I'm sure you don't mind being denied teams and content for not being a team player, shouldn't upset you at all.

Literally the only people i have encountered in game who insist you don't need swiftcast are healers who don't have swiftcast. Majority rules so bring to the table what people expect.

"oh man I have to put in effort like everyone else in the group and not just the bare minimum?", find a group that wants to play with someone with that attitude.

Well, the reason I say this is kind of the opposite reasoning. The way I see it, you can put all the effort on the front end or the back end. Front end = having situational pots/food/all X-class skills/top end gear/ best enchants or materia or whatever and so on. Then you get to the boss and he dies like a balloon. Then people complain that the content is too easy and they are bored.

Fact is, if they design the game around the min/maxers, they will alienate 95% of the player base. If they don't, then all of these steps you expect the average player to take on are unnecessary and make the game a monotonous grindfest instead of a fun game. That's more of my point. I am not doing anything by majority rules. Majority rules brought us Napoleon. No thanks.

And I am not being denied anything. I had a guy try to deny me the other day because I had a 49 ring for lack of finding a suitable upgrade in light of the order of gear I was getting. Didn't have anything to say after we got in and he saw how I healed. Sure, I gimped my cure 2 by 10 restored HP not having a higher-end ring. So what? If 10 HP makes or breaks anything, then that's an issue.

Face it, most people are not coming to the table WELL UNDERPREPARED. They just aren't coming to the table with a nuclear bomb to kill a rabbit. And that's fine, too.

[Jyoeru]

BLM can only cross class physick. My scholar prefers physick over cure.

My SCH also isn't a gimp without swiftcast.

That's right, because SCH rezzes are all instant cast. I forgot!

And you got my point. No difference in the spells.

[Moirear]

useful =/= required... no one is arguing that it is not useful, they are pointing out that its not required by healers at any point in the game

Nobody reasonable is arguing that you "require" cross-class skills to play the game. My argument is that you're lazy and/or inefficient if you're not doing so, though, because come endgame, they give you huge advantages that people will absolutely want you in their party for because you're twice as useful as someone who's lacking them.