If you are a WHM without Swiftcast, you are holding back your team at endgame

[Moirear]

Flash doesn't have a cooldown timer, it's only limitation is your MP. Swiftcast and provoke both do, and both are situationally useful but should not be needed except for mistakes.

Swiftcast allows you to use cast faster overall, whether you're running the role of dps or healer, because you can regularly cast a spell instantly that would take longer otherwise, be it a Medica or whatnot. And good luck tank swapping or peeling enmity without Provoke.

Please stop making up excuses like "these abilities are only good for mistakes."

It's weaksauce, and the only excuse for not having them after a certain point in time is laziness.

[Jyoeru]

It's weaksauce, and the only excuse for not having them after a certain point in time is laziness.

I love Puritan sentiments in a video game. This is a game. Not a job. People need to realize that first.

still find it interesting people are dodging the fact that you can raise without swiftcast. Ive cleric stanced and dps'd in every encounter in the game to my knowledge, so why wouldnt i be able to battle res normally?

And those people who have to have swiftcast to rez seem to more often than not be unable to cast it without a swiftcast up. Just one of my observations.

[Moirear]

I love Puritan sentiments in a video game. This is a game. Not a job. People need to realize that first.

We're talking about endgame because that's the only point where any of this matters, and getting cross-class skills for your "main" job is not a huge timesink. Maxing all the jobs or endgame are huge timesinks. By design MMORPGs are usually huge timesinks. "This is a game, not a job" is just another way of saying you don't actually enjoy this kind of game or the game is too repetitive somehow for your taste, only when someone is pointing out that you're gimping yourself for not putting some extra time into something that would increase your efficiency.

[SarcasmMisser]

I love Puritan sentiments in a video game. This is a game. Not a job. People need to realize that first.

Oh boy here comes the "it's just a video game" jib. If that is the case I'm sure you don't mind being denied teams and content for not being a team player, shouldn't upset you at all.

Literally the only people i have encountered in game who insist you don't need swiftcast are healers who don't have swiftcast. Majority rules so bring to the table what people expect.

"oh man I have to put in effort like everyone else in the group and not just the bare minimum?", find a group that wants to play with someone with that attitude.

[Jyoeru]

Oh boy here comes the "it's just a video game" jib. If that is the case I'm sure you don't mind being denied teams and content for not being a team player, shouldn't upset you at all.

Literally the only people i have encountered in game who insist you don't need swiftcast are healers who don't have swiftcast. Majority rules so bring to the table what people expect.

"oh man I have to put in effort like everyone else in the group and not just the bare minimum?", find a group that wants to play with someone with that attitude.

Well, the reason I say this is kind of the opposite reasoning. The way I see it, you can put all the effort on the front end or the back end. Front end = having situational pots/food/all X-class skills/top end gear/ best enchants or materia or whatever and so on. Then you get to the boss and he dies like a balloon. Then people complain that the content is too easy and they are bored.

Fact is, if they design the game around the min/maxers, they will alienate 95% of the player base. If they don't, then all of these steps you expect the average player to take on are unnecessary and make the game a monotonous grindfest instead of a fun game. That's more of my point. I am not doing anything by majority rules. Majority rules brought us Napoleon. No thanks.

And I am not being denied anything. I had a guy try to deny me the other day because I had a 49 ring for lack of finding a suitable upgrade in light of the order of gear I was getting. Didn't have anything to say after we got in and he saw how I healed. Sure, I gimped my cure 2 by 10 restored HP not having a higher-end ring. So what? If 10 HP makes or breaks anything, then that's an issue.

Face it, most people are not coming to the table WELL UNDERPREPARED. They just aren't coming to the table with a nuclear bomb to kill a rabbit. And that's fine, too.

[Skotie]

Swiftcast allows you to use cast faster overall, whether you're running the role of dps or healer, because you can regularly cast a spell instantly that would take longer otherwise, be it a Medica or whatnot. And good luck tank swapping or peeling enmity without Provoke.

Please stop making up excuses like "these abilities are only good for mistakes."

It's weaksauce, and the only excuse for not having them after a certain point in time is laziness.

It's not an excuse at all though that's what you don't seem to understand. There is no one shot move in the game that randomly kills someone requireing an instantious heal or ressurection that cannot be avoided. If people are playing thier roles correctly it isn't needed so seriously stop acting like an improvement is a requirement.

Edit. On swapping without provoke I don't suppose both tanks could keep similar aggro levels and one stop attacking when they needed to swap while the other continues could they? Nah not possible right?

[Moirear]

It's not an excuse at all though that's what you don't seem to understand. There is no one shot move in the game that randomly kills someone requireing an instantious heal or ressurection that cannot be avoided. If people are playing thier roles correctly it isn't needed so seriously stop acting like an improvement is a requirement.

Again, at the risk of pointlessly repeating myself one more time, the only situation where cross-class skills fundamentally matter, is endgame. Swiftcast is not just useful for correcting mistakes, but casting every spell because over time, you will be casting spells must faster.

[Shizato]

Again, at the risk of pointlessly repeating myself one more time, the only situation where cross-class skills fundamentally matter, is endgame. Swiftcast is not just useful for correcting mistakes, but casting every spell because over time, you will be casting spells must faster.

useful =/= required... no one is arguing that it is not useful, they are pointing out that its not required by healers at any point in the game

[Moirear]

useful =/= required... no one is arguing that it is not useful, they are pointing out that its not required by healers at any point in the game

Nobody reasonable is arguing that you "require" cross-class skills to play the game. My argument is that you're lazy and/or inefficient if you're not doing so, though, because come endgame, they give you huge advantages that people will absolutely want you in their party for because you're twice as useful as someone who's lacking them.

[Shizato]

Nobody reasonable is arguing that you "require" cross-class skills to play the game. My argument is that you're lazy and/or inefficient if you're not doing so, though, because come endgame, they give you huge advantages that people will absolutely want you in their party for because you're twice as useful as someone who's lacking them.

so? plenty of ppl to play with that dont care about it as well, so it doesnt matter