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    Quote Originally Posted by Dyne_Fellpool View Post
    I'd really like to see DRK be a tank class.
    The only way I would be ok with it being a dps class is if it was a sword/shield dps form for GLD. (And yes, I think sword/shield would be an interesting setup for a melee dps class.)

    There just arent enough classes that are good candidates for tank. There really needs to be a balance between the number of tank/dps/healer classes, so more tanks really should be added as other classes are.
    Samurai and Dark Knight fit into the tank role best, imo.

    Either way, Dark Knight is a KNIGHT, and should use a sword & shield like Leon, Cecil, Gafgarion, etc. Its the iconic FF Dark Knight.
    Leon, the first DRK, primarially used spears and axes. Just look at his proficiencies and most powerful weapon...

    p.s.
    My main problem with the shield idea is that it provides too much to defense in this game, unlike other FF games. Here with this one, I can see it possibly coming from a gladiator but changing the role entirely to DPS as every incarnation has intended the class to be a DPS role, despite unintended hick-ups, loopholes, or game unique customizations. I am sure they never intended NIN, WHM, or BLM to be tanks and I don't see that here. If they chose a previously tank class for a DPS role, I see a stance reducing its defenses and still wearing heavy armor (It'll just would be like dragoon armor really in effect).

    If you can't take my opinion, read the wiki's description:

    Quote Originally Posted by FF-wiki
    The Dark Knight is characterized by wearing tight, sometimes enclosed black armor and wielding a sword steeped in wicked powers. Their physical stats, with exception of Defense, are usually high, but their other stats depend on the game they appear in. The typical Dark Knight ability is Souleater, also known as Darkness, which allows them to sacrifice their HP to perform stronger attacks.

    However, Souleater is not exclusive to the Dark Knight class. Dark Knights may also have abilities based on Blood Equipment that allows them to absorb HP and MP from enemies. The Dark Knight is opposed by the Paladin, holy knights who protect allies and wield sacred powers. Unlike many classes, Dark Knights bear a signature weapon, the Deathbringer, which has a chance to kill certain enemies in a single blow.
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    Drk is easy if they implement the job it will more than likely come from Lancer. Drg already have very similar Drk moves. They are both Knights and wear similar armor. Only thing they have to do is make DRK a lancer job and be done with it. Drk job would would give access to soul eater, an enhanced blood for blood, and a few more DRK abilities, also with the DrK crystal they now equip scythes in main slot and a Great sword in the shiled slot or visa versa. The Drk abilities would determine which weapon was used. relics can be done like they do pld sword and shield.
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    I'll play drk if I can port my apoc over from 11 lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bloodclaw View Post
    Leon, the first DRK, primarially used spears and axes. Just look at his proficiencies and most powerful weapon...

    p.s.
    My main problem with the shield idea is that it provides too much to defense in this game, unlike other FF games. Here with this one, I can see it possibly coming from a gladiator but changing the role entirely to DPS as every incarnation has intended the class to be a DPS role, despite unintended hick-ups, loopholes, or game unique customizations. I am sure they never intended NIN, WHM, or BLM to be tanks and I don't see that here. If they chose a previously tank class for a DPS role, I see a stance reducing its defenses and still wearing heavy armor (It'll just would be like dragoon armor really in effect).

    If you can't take my opinion, read the wiki's description:
    I don't think BLM shield can help them tank..
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    You can count me in

    I want my Dark Knight to use 2h Greatsword and to have the iconic Darkness/Sacrifice/Souleater skill. If they put the Job Quest starting point in Ishgard or Black Shroud and give them a lore full of dark and angst I think I'd die happy!

    Yoshi thrown the idea of making DRK out of GLD but he said that the secondary job of the class we already have will be a different role, like ACN to SMN and SCH, too. I don't know what use would gain a DD from the tank/enmity+ skills the GLD has and the MRD, with all those HP absorbing skill, would seems a better starting role. That said, Egis turn into Fairies so everything is possibile.

    The only material I know that can be connected to the DRK is this Amano's artwork
    A full black warrior with a black sword and shield, which clearly winks to the GLD. It's only an old artwork and it doesn't completely obliterate my dream of a bad giant salvationless sword bringer of destruction and desperation--LOL- as there are other classes that can change from 1H to 2H weapons.

    I wouldn't mind a new starting class like Swordman or Fencer based on 2H Sword leading to DRK and SAM or RDM. About its role I'm not sure as I think both tanking and DPS can be interesting.

    Oh, only time will tell..
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    Why does a "knight" = a shield? "Knights" utilized a large variety of both 1 handed and two handed weapons. The armory system alone would not make sense to make a DRK out of a GLD. Unless dark becomes a tank class, it would make no sense in the entire FF franchise to see a DRK wielding a shield. The moment a "Dark knight" is shield bashing to do dps from behind a target, the class will be stupid. A 1 handed sword, sure. A shield used for bashing or just held cosmetically.. as a drk? I'm sorry that's about as shitty a comparison to drk as xenosaga is to xenogears. dual wielding would be neat, but the odds of SE redesigning the offhand slot to be taken into account for DMG by equipping a stone alone is too suspect. SE always takes the easy way out with things. DRK will piggy back off of polearms or axes so that drk can get blue weapons like extreme mode drops and still equip them or gear from current dungeons while lvling to 50r. LNC, DRG, DRK or MRD, War, Drk just wait for it!
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    AN entirely new starting job makes more sense in terms of dps utility, opposed to going to GLD. MRD and LNC skills are the closest to the evil abilities of a DRK, alongside some sort of magic caster... gladiator gets mp!!!, people say, so does a THM...It makes a LOT more sense to make THM a secondary or tertiary class for the DRK job. But knowing SE, we will all be wrong... DRK will be Tri-wielding ball and chains or maces/clubs: 1 in each hand and then 1 in the mouth. Lastly, they will import a character model of the judges from the franchise and call it a day Or just change the pants and boots from the WAR AF and tweak the helmet a little.
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    @above I think for the DW part of it, SE will do it like how monks now with fist weapon on both hand. It'll b just a mirror or copy from ur main hand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ViktorMestrovic View Post
    Why does a "knight" = a shield? "Knights" utilized a large variety of both 1 handed and two handed weapons.
    Right. In japanese, Dragoon is actually called Dragon Knight, in case anyone didn't know and was curious.
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    Thinking on it, most likely Dark Knight will be like Dragoon, in that it'll be DPS that can wear Heavy Armor. Odds are it will start in the Marauder or Thaumaturge lines, and require most likely both classes. Combining Thaumaturge's knowledge of destructive magic with the Marauder's knowledge of reckless battle and tanking, it shall fit the stereotypical Dark Knight well...a master of giving out damage in return for their own power. It may also be a triple-class, one that requires Arcanist as well. Sky's the limit on what classes they can use for it. It could even be an offshoot of Lancer for all we know.
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