Griefing & Party Kick Abuse

[HEC]

but once they are out.... who cares?

Erm - another 5 - 20 groups such moron will join and ruin the run for after yours? Look at it other way - if another group kick the moron and you'll get it in your group - how would you feel? Would you not prefer him / her to be grounded for a half hour instead?

[Raale]

Here's the funny thing that everyone seemed to missed out on. If this guy claimed to have done it on an "alt" where by definition of the word alt meaning another character. So, why would it matter if he leaves and get a penalty when he can switch to his alt to do more dungeon runs. And I laugh at his "explanation" of using DF to practice it if he claims to have done it already and knows about the fight. And his explanation about the low dps just makes him a jerk, when it's clear that these people are learning the fight, therefore watching what to avoid and paying less attention to their rotations. It means nothing to have the top dps if you don't know what to avoid because you're not watching what to avoid. So, clearly, he's trolling you both in that run and in here. His actions has shown otherwise. Furthermore, I thought that getting kicked out gets you a 15 min penalty, but if that isn't the case, then yes, there should be a similar time penalty for those that abandon the dungeon. Keep in mind, SE did announce they would be adding a vote to abandon DF without time penalty in the near future.

[Vejjiegirl]

Wait, does this mean someone can just que the DF, act like a troll(like keep aggroing titan without the party being ready) get kicked and then keep re-queing without any time-out? this seems like a flawed system >.<

[StarHate]

Erm

But that isn't what happened. You are trying to lay out a worst case scenario to make the argument work. Let's say we change it and there is a 30 minute debuff timer added to vote kick. Do you know how much these forums will explode from people griefing others with it? DPS kicking tanks at the end of a run to spite them out of the queue? Zenith groups vote kicking out members in DF who say no to speed runs? People just generally being tools and forcing the debuff timers on others?

You know what I would do? Vote kick them out. Done. The OP even said he knew he was being petty by wanting to debuff the guy and not just kick him out. That seems like a good way to develop policy to you? You guys really need to think about the big picture here, not knee-jerk reactions. As someone else mentioned, the more strict this stuff becomes to "protect" people, the more abuse begins to skyrocket.

[Raale]

Have you forgotten that SE takes abuse to vote kick seriously, any abuse of it will be dealt with. If people report those who abuse the vote kicking, the violators will be dealt with. So why worry about more stuff with time penalty added to it and worry that more grievers will do it. If anything, there will be less grievers unless they want to be banned from the game.