Balmung is Homeless on Christmas' Eve. Is this really what you wanted, Yoshida-san?

[Abriael]

It's not pretty much false, i've played multiple MMOs with difficult to obtain guild constructs (houses, airships, etc- the latter in DDO) The only game ive played where any form of housing is "entry level" is FFXI where everyone starts the game with it (but it is comparably simplistic and for a long time was completely private).

It's very false. Entry level doesn't mean completely free. It means that most guilds can afford getting the least costly option, or the basic structure with no rare/costly furniture without many problems, and that's how it is in most MMORPG, if not all, that feature any kind of guild housing.

[Alhanelem]

It's very false. Entry level doesn't mean completely free. It means that most guilds can afford getting the least costly option, or the basic structure with no rare/costly furniture without many problems, and that's how it is in most MMORPG, if not all, that feature any kind of guild housing.

Guilds CAN afford the least costly option, they just don't really want to pay it, especially when they know it will get cheaper and there is still plen-teee of space of available.

[Sunarie]

Guilds CAN afford the least costly optin, they just don't really want to pay it.

If that is actually true, why did Yoshi himself say that the pricing options are set in such a way that only 80% of FC's will have a house in 3 months? That's not a large house, or a medium house.. he said the prices were set so that 80% of the FC's would be able to own a house in 3 months.. that includes the small ones. The prices were intentionally put out of people's reaches, after giving a false estimate of what it would cost for the smallest one (3-5 people getting from 1-50).

[Alhanelem]

If that is actually true, why did Yoshi himself say that the pricing options are set in such a way that only 80% of FC's will have a house in 3 months?

Can afford and willingness to pay are two different things. Remember that the prices were also set with the understanding that gil generation is higher now (and it definitely is).

I'm not saying I think the prices are just right at the moment, but they are intentionally set up to go down over time. They are/were simply concerned with not having enough space initially. They admitted that the pricing particularly on legacy worlds was excesesive and that's why they're going to scale it back down. The first price drop (ignoring the regular devaluations) is to take place at the end of the month (next week), at which point I and quite a few people might be able to consider buying a small house. 80% in 3 months means a smaller percentage sooner. It only took a week before one of the larger companies was able to buy a large house with contributions from all their members. Larger company = larger house, only makes sense.

[Abriael]

Guilds CAN afford the least costly option, they just don't really want to pay it, especially when they know it will get cheaper and there is still plen-teee of space of available.

No. They can't. 20 millions (or 40) are a while lot/unaffordable when you don't have over 40-50 members. And there's a large number of guilds that are smaller. Which is why in other MMORPGs entry level guild housing is much more affordable, not to unfairly penalize the playstyle of those that prefer smaller, closer knit guilds.

There are actually houses built on Balmung (having just checked the zones)

You should have read the post too, would have saved you the trip. Yes, there are a whole two houses, meaning that the overwhelming majority of the server is homeless. I checked myself before posting.

[Sunarie]

No. They can't. 20 millions (or 40) are a while lot/unaffordable when you don't have over 40-50 members. And there's a large number of guilds that are smaller. Which is why in other MMORPGs entry level guild housing is much more affordable, not to unfairly penalize the playstyle of those that prefer smaller, closer knit guilds.

There are also people who didn't have legacy characters and made them on those servers. My guild was almost on a legacy server (thankfully locking character creation early on caused us to switch in order to get everyone on the same server).

The legacy server's Market Board prices are not 5x's higher than the other servers, maybe they were at launch but that has long since passed. They are very much in line with other servers now. They don't get rewarded anymore for quests than we do. So if they can't sell things for a higher cost than us on the Market Board, and can't get more money from quests than us.. why exactly should their housing be 5x higher at it's cheapest? There is not a way currently in the game to make gil faster than any other server, so their prices are very much out of reach and I can sympathize.

My guild is probably going to be able to afford a medium sized house (which is what we're aiming for) within around 4-5 months. If we were on a legacy server that'd be a small house for the same amount of work.

[TrystWildkey]

*lots of truth*

It's rare that I see a player from a cheaper server group actually understanding the issue. Thank you!!