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    Quote Originally Posted by Mortikhan View Post
    Enlighten us then. Tell us the plan for dealing with RMT and bots. Please keep in mind that you can't ban everyone who crafts over 30 minutes without a leve to do or happens to do any gathering on their own for more than 30 minutes. Please tell me the site where I can pick up the latest version of "Bot Detect and Smash"...oh wait that would be a 3rd party program wouldn't it? Is your superiority in finding and harassing bots a proven method that anyone can do or will I need bionic implants? I want to know your secret formula for this activity...I would also like to know who empowered you to do it. Please share.

    This is my sarcastic way of pointing out that you still have not outlined or placed any guidelines or (most importantly) restrictions on the activities of bot hunters. The "we are bot hunters so all of our actions are justified" routine is a license to aggravate other players that you as a player are granting to others. You are encouraging behavior that you have no authority to condone which is going to get some person with the best intentions banned. At some point you are going to have to put down that sheriff badge and realize that it is not your call to make.

    Let's get back on topic. I will ask you the questions point blank. How do think players should react if they suspect a person is botting or RMT? What actions do you think they should take against a suspected botter or RMT? If SE does not ban a person you suspect of botting or RMT, what do you think a player is entitled to do? What methods should be employed to confirm a player is botting or RMT in your opinion and are players capable of confirmation?

    If our fruit here at FFXIV is rotten then show us the way to the promised land. Show us the unspoiled fruit of nirvana. Let's see what fruit falls from your tree.
    A simple software that detects pattern repetition to an inhuman degree. A specific timing always present. A path in the ground never not followed. Every bot ever created has an unmistakable visual pattern and button combination unique to it and only it. Behind that visual pattern is a mathematical expression. Quantify that expression and ban all players with that expression.

    Fire the STF. Hire competent programmers with software pattern recognition experience.

    Give GMs their Testicles back. Call one. Your eyes become their eyes. You watch that cheater die right in front of you, and it never comes back. That is player satisfaction.

    Severity. Celerity. Certainty. The hallmarks of punishment for which presence of all ensures that behavior stops dead.

    Suspension for not responding to a GM. 2nd offense, banning.

    Every craftbotter, every shard farmer, banned. The first time. Retrospectively if possible extending all the way back to September. No recourse.

    Public display of their names. Ten thousand players? All ten thousand names go right on the forum.

    They're trying too hard. I can see a bot with my own eyes. Everyone can. They don't need mathematical confirmation if they're too incompetent to do that. I could ban ten an hour the first week. Twenty five an hour the second week. Within a month I could kill bots at one a minute, with sensitivity (I catch all bots reported) and specificity (the labelled bot is a bot) of 98% with a few software augments like autotimers, and information about everything in that players' receive packet.

    Shit, I bet these bots have a characteristic recieve packet rate that exists only for them that a human couldn't duplicate if they tried.
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    Last edited by Peregrine; 06-09-2011 at 05:31 AM.