Nerf SMN

[Dorin]

If everybody but arcanists is saying they're OP it MIGHT be for a reason, just saying.

The only people defending arcanists are other arcanists, which I find extremely hilarious.

Enjoy your last few days of free wins.

[Alhanelem]

If everybody but arcanists is saying they're OP it MIGHT be for a reason, just saying.

The only people defending arcanists are other arcanists, which I find extremely hilarious.

Enjoy your last few days of free wins.

It's not "everybody but arcanists." it's "people who can't win at PvP". Go read the japanese boards, none of them are complaining about summoner.

Summoner was already nerfed substantially by the patch. The last thing we need is more nerfs. Learn to play and you will beat summoners every time they pop. They are that easy to kill. I have to work for every win, there is no such thing as "free wins" with summoner or any other class.

I don't know why you find it hilarious that the people who know most about their jobs are the ones defending it. Why would anyone that isn't a summoner defend it, whether broken or not? Everyone wants every class other than their own nerfed. Except I'm not here begging for everyone that beats me to be nerfed. Who other than a black mage would say that black mage isn't overpowered? Insert whichever job you want in that sentence, the answer will be the same.

As for utility, Instant raise, just like any other class with raise is only with swiftcast. This should not be allowed in pvp in the first place. for any class.

It should be completely allowed. It's part of the dynamic of the game. You also need to think outside of the arena box, as this isn't going to be the only PvP in the game. If it's part of the rest of the game it's part of this part of the game too. It's not unfair or unbalanced because anyone can do it, on either team.

[Regis]

Yeah this is just the community crying. After SMN gets nerfed they will identify the next strongest class and complain about that one. It is how PvP seems to work in most MMO's. I think the only way to balance it perfectly is to make only one class available giving everyone the same abilities....but then people will complain about lack of choice.

It's impossible to make everyone happy and there will always be a flavor of the month "OP" class as long as PvP exists in this game.

As a SMN I can tell you the easiest way to kill me is to just throw all of your melee on me and use your stuns properly. There isn't a way to deal with every class hypothetically without knowing team comps but I can tell you that if you want to farm lots of wins just go BLM/WHM and use sleep. Sleep the healer or the enemy SMN. Whichever one you don't sleep will die if you and your team are competent. If you can't deal with losses due to a bad team then don't solo queue.

[Syrellaris]

The problem exists not due to a class being overpowered with its PvE skills(they are more often not overpowered then when they are) but when Developers for some reason can never fathom that PvP needs there own skill set. Give classes pure pve and pvp skills for there content. It is more work to balance, but it won't ruin either side by nerfing A and nerfing B, while Buffing C.

yes, the Japanese do complain about things but it is the board the developers of this game actually reads and replies to most of the time and it is what a lot of the games changes are based on.

[xxalucard]

If everybody but arcanists is saying they're OP it MIGHT be for a reason, just saying.

The only people defending arcanists are other arcanists, which I find extremely hilarious.

Enjoy your last few days of free wins.

The reason arcanists are defending themselves is mainly because they know how the class works, and thus know all the weaknesses it has. People that don't play the class complain because they DON'T understand summoner or it's weaknesses. It makes sense. More sense than just "OP class is only one who defends themselves cause they know it's unfair!"

- I can't even sic my pet on anyone until I am somewhat close and not LoS'd by them.
- Ifrit can be kited the whole game
- Healers have equanimity AND that 90% invinicibility bs to constantly cleanse and heal-- i know, i faced a good team that used the abilities

*Most people complaining have no videos of their gameplay and thus no proof that they even know what they're doing in pvp (players that are new to pvp should not be complaining until they fully understand it, just like any game)

[Kajuana]

If you are a good BLM PVPer, 9/10 you will be a good SMN PVPer. Here is why:

1) Cleansing dots is not as easy as you think
- 5 debuffs: 3 dots, heavy, and disease. Your healer can't cleanse through that
- Team will have at least have 3 debuffs

2) Incredible mobility and difficult to shutdown
- Only spell actually needs casting is Bio II. Cast Miasma if free. Everything else on the move
- Miasma II is a life saver. Melees get slowed 40% then I just sprint. Dot and kite
- Your pet will keep on hurting the enemy whilst you run

2) Burst damage all insta
- Pop your pet cooldowns & use Enkindle, i.e. 1000-1500 dmg on the spot
- Use Fester + Energy Drain, i.e. 1000dmg non-crit to 1700 crit.
- Pew pew w/ Ruin II

3) Utility
- Instant-raise and AE bind

Yes, you might have a better chance to win with BLM+SMN vs SMN+SMN...
Seriously, stop justifying that SMN is not overpowered. I love using SMN in PVP.

[Syrellaris]

Miasma I is not and never will be an instant cast unless a player uses swiftcast to cast it.

obviously you do not play summoner alot, or you would have known Fester only hits for 1000+ if it crits and only with Miasma I, Bio II and Bio I on 1 target. So no, its not a viable burst damage as two of those skills in pvp have a 2.5 second cast timer, the only time you can cast one instant is with swiftcast. Also, even with bio I and Miasma I up on the target the non crit damage is around 550, with a 800 or so crit. Fester does not and never will take into consideration Miasma II. energy drain has a set value and won't crit.

Also as explained before, Garuda can be LoSéd and ifrit can be kited without getting hurt. I am in agreement that if Enkine+spur+rouse doing 1500 damage, that should be tweaked.

There is technically only 3 real debufs on a summoner. Blind, Heavy and the healing one. Virus adds a debuff as well, but that lowers stats for Dex, Str, Mind and Int down by 15% and only stats.

As for utility, Instant raise, just like any other class with raise is only with swiftcast. This should not be allowed in pvp in the first place. for any class.

People really need to stop throwing false information out there, in the hope someone comes along and does exactly what whiners want.

[LongNu]

SNIP

You're still trying to defend SMN? Didn't you say...

I give, go ahead and nerf it

[Syrellaris]

If you are going to quote only a small portion of my post, then also include the rest. Also, I am not defending, I am correcting false information.

[Kajuana]

There is no wrong information. As I mentioned, cast Miasma if "free". It's a 2.4s cast. Compared to BLM cast times, this is great.

For me, I always put BIO2, BIO, Miasma1/2 on the target I want to burn down. And MIASMA2/BIO is most likely on everyone else moving around on the map, so damage is everywhere with the healer under pressure.

Garuda can be LOSed, Ifrit can be kited, but no one can stay mobile an entire game, esp. for healers/casters.

There are 2 bursts - the one I mentioned and Ruin1>Ruin2>Fester. All 3 can be cast within 4s since Fester is off global cooldown. That is also another 1K combo without crit. Even with 2 dots, 800 is a respectable number with Ruin2>Fester.

Finally, Swiftcast 20s BIND is very powerful in combination with sleep with BLM.

I am not saying nerf SMN, but right now SMN is clearly top of the pack. Maybe they may need to remove swiftcast off of cross class, although I can imagine angry mobs on the street if they do so.