Nerf SMN

[Raenryong]

Summoner has far too much viability as a single class. Bard was supposedly nerfed as it has "too many pieces of the puzzle" for PvE; well, this is much the same for PvP. A powerful healing debuff (and snare), high burst damage, high DoT and an annoying pet are all a bit much. Add a battle raise on top of this and it's a nightmare.

[AldricBranchais]

They don't need nerfing. They're perfectly managable if you're healer knows how to cleanse, or you can use Purify. Somersault, and Axe Kick are also good, but Somersault really fucks up their day.
Since you're a GLD/PLD, I have no idea what you can do against them. I'll have to ask my PLD what she does against them.

[Raenryong]

Oh, I don't play PLD in PvP healers often don't get time to cleanse with everything else that is going on, and with cleanse GCD being the same (even if cast time is lower), at best you stall one SMN. Let alone two or more... no aoe cleanse really sucks too.

[AldricBranchais]

Oh, I don't play PLD in PvP healers often don't get time to cleanse with everything else that is going on, and with cleanse GCD being the same (even if cast time is lower), at best you stall one SMN. Let alone two or more... no aoe cleanse really sucks too.

I really haven't had any issues with SMN lately. D: Let alone two of them, or when people run double BLM, what do you play for PVP and what comp do you use? Maybe I can help you.

[Raenryong]

I solo queue 99% of the time, normally on WHM. Occasionally on DRG.

[Shiyo]

Summoner needs to lose Raise inside PVP and they will be fine. I have no idea how to balance disease, it's a game breaking debuff that is required but also too powerful at the same time. Without it healing is too easy, with it healing is straight up impossible outside of benediction and lustrate.

[AldricBranchais]

I solo queue 99% of the time, normally on WHM. Occasionally on DRG.

ooooooooooooooooooooooh. D: Well, issue one is solo queue! If you were on Gilgamesh I'd roll with you.

[Zetonegi]

Summoner needs to lose Raise inside PVP and they will be fine. I have no idea how to balance disease, it's a game breaking debuff that is required but also too powerful at the same time. Without it healing is too easy, with it healing is straight up impossible outside of benediction and lustrate.

WAR has a heal debuff too. I just don't like the fact that all the dots block cleanses meaning you usually need 2+ successful casts to remove it and that it gives weight. Also rez on a nonhealer is kinda BS but rez in pvp is dumb in general.

[Shiyo]

WAR has a heal debuff too. I just don't like the fact that all the dots block cleanses meaning you usually need 2+ successful casts to remove it and that it gives weight. Also rez on a nonhealer is kinda BS but rez in pvp is dumb in general.

WAR's heal debuff is melee range and doesn't slow, also I think it stacks with disease for -75%. The double debuff is super annoying though I agree, I have to pray to the RNG gods I dispel it.

[Zabuza]

Summoner needs to lose Raise inside PVP and they will be fine. I have no idea how to balance disease, it's a game breaking debuff that is required but also too powerful at the same time. Without it healing is too easy, with it healing is straight up impossible outside of benediction and lustrate.

Make the healing debuff 25% instead of 50%.