Lustrate needs to be affected by healing debuffs

[Tremara]

You have this button called "Esuna." Amazingly, it helps with these things. You might try pressing it occasionally. Just to see what happens, you know.

You don't have to be condescending towards him/her. Not every heal debuff can be dispeled.

[Eriane]

No, it doesn't. Lustrate is the Scholar's sole form of burst healing, and it's on a 1 min CD. White Mages also have their own heal that ignores healing debuffs - Benediction. And while it's on a 5 min CD, we have plenty of other sources of burst healing.

You have this button called "Esuna." Amazingly, it helps with these things. You might try pressing it occasionally. Just to see what happens, you know.

I'm not saying lustrate should be nerfed at all. But i don't understand your point.

Other sources of burst healing? If its effected by a healing debuff its irrelevant.

Burst? A sch physick plus fairy embrace is as good as a cure 2 for half the mana, an adlo plus embrace is even better. Then factor in damage mitigation and preshielding. Both classes have healing buffs and swiftcast.

You should try Esuna on Infirmity, let me know how that works for you. While you are at it, try using benediction for it every time too.

[Vittorino]

Honestly, the fact that lustrate isn't affected by healing debuffs feels completely out of tune with everything else.

With the addition of Siren and Miasma in PVP, it has just gotten more noticeable.

Me on white mage during Siren:


Me coming back on scholar during Siren:


Just give scholar 18% stoneskin, change white mage stoneskin to improved casting speed, and make benediction/lustrate to be affected by healing debuffs.

I'm tired of wanting to table flip my computer every time I run into a healing debuff and I chose to come on white mage.

Here is another one crying about something that isn't going to be adjusted anytime soon. This thread is amusing because you have not learnt to adapt to certain comps or your comp that you are using just doesn't fit the criteria you're using it for. This subject on healing debuffs would apply to pve as well. let's throw your statement into "twintania for an example" twister and last collar drop" death sentence healing debuff your whm uses benediction "oh it's useless" your scholar uses lustrates ah it didn't do anything i can't top them back off. You fail to understand the concept of how a class is designed or how to get around it.

For pvp if you're tired of lustrate healing a person to top.. Use your skill appropriately and make them burn it... on useless trivial things rather than later.. simple.

If you want to make an asinine statement how it should be scaled down to healing debuffs such as the SMN and WAR healing reduction moves which are extremely OP as they are at the moment; you don't have a complete grasp of how such skills work. Aetherflow is a SCH crutch move for "oh sh*t scenario's. What if i told you that WHM "Benediction" scaled down with that healing reduction, how would that justify the intent of this post?

try using Esuna or Leeches, you also have a LoS factor that comes into play you have purify use it appropriately, you have atunement use it wisely, get gear, get materia and above all- "get better."

Use some common reasoning... lol

Stop trying to QQ about a class to get it adjusted want an adjustment move the lustrates back to 20%. done.

[LiadansWhisper]

You don't have to be condescending towards him/her. Not every heal debuff can be dispeled.

This one absolutely can. Is it mana intensive to dispel? Oh yes. Will you have to prioritize who you dispel (and will it get super hectic)? Yep. But it is there, and it does work.

I'm not saying lustrate should be nerfed at all. But i don't understand your point.

Other sources of burst healing? If its effected by a healing debuff its irrelevant.

The healing debuff is irrelevent. You can dispel it. If you nerf Lustrate, you nerf Scholars' only source of burst healing. As a WHM, we have Medica, Medica II, and Cure III, as well as very powerful Cure II. Scholars have Lustrate. That's it. The rest of their healing is tied to their pet (which does HoTs, not burst) or is tied to absorbs (which are great, but do not fill bars back up).

Burst? A sch physick plus fairy embrace is as good as a cure 2 for half the mana, an adlo plus embrace is even better. Then factor in damage mitigation and preshielding. Both classes have healing buffs and swiftcast.

Mitigation isn't burst. WHM is burst. SCH is Mitigation. These are not the same things, but work well together. Scholars don't have anything near the AoE burst that WHM has - and they don't need it, but they DO need some form of burst.

You should try Esuna on Infirmity, let me know how that works for you. While you are at it, try using benediction for it every time too.

But we're not talking about Twintania. We're talking about Siren. And the healing debuff the boss puts out (which is an AoE, I might add) is completely dispellable. It's the same debuff that the first boss in WP puts out.

[whiskeybravo]

As a side note that may be slightly off topic, I had been wondering if Lustrate was affected by Defiance/Convalescence. I guess I found out from this thread that it's not.

[LiadansWhisper]

As a side note that may be slightly off topic, I had been wondering if Lustrate was affected by Defiance/Convalescence. I guess I found out from this thread that it's not.

Yes and no. Defiance raises the health of the Warrior who uses it, so in that respect, Lustrate is affected by Defiance.

[Tremara]

This one absolutely can. Is it mana intensive to dispel? Oh yes. Will you have to prioritize who you dispel (and will it get super hectic)? Yep. But it is there, and it does work.

Did you even read what I wrote? No? I thought so. Like I said not every heal debuff can be dispeled - for example the heal debuff after death sentence from Twintania. I'm positive that my fellow healers know which one you can dispel and which one not. So please don't be so high and mighty.

[LiadansWhisper]

Did you even read what I wrote? No? I thought so. Like I said not every heal debuff can be dispeled - for example the heal debuff after death sentence from Twintania. I'm positive that my fellow healers know which one you can dispel and which one not. So please don't be so high and mighty.

Did you read the scenario the OP was putting out? No? He was speaking specifically about Siren and using that as a reason to nerf Scholars. Which is why I specifically responded to him about Esuna, which makes the healing debuff go away. I am sorry that you are so greatly threatened by that. I wasn't being high and mighty, unless by "high and mighty" you mean I was pointing out holes in the OP's logic. I mean, unless you think it's totally kosher to come in here and suggest a huge nerf to a class because of one freaking fight that can be easily dealt with.

[Splorch]

Did you read the scenario the OP was putting out? No? He was speaking specifically about Siren and using that as a reason to nerf Scholars. Which is why I specifically responded to him about Esuna, which makes the healing debuff go away. I am sorry that you are so greatly threatened by that. I wasn't being high and mighty, unless by "high and mighty" you mean I was pointing out holes in the OP's logic. I mean, unless you think it's totally kosher to come in here and suggest a huge nerf to a class because of one freaking fight that can be easily dealt with.

"With the addition of Siren and Miasma in PVP"

Mid way through this thread he brought up that he meant in addition to what already exists, we now have siren as well as the use of miasma(and the warrior debuff). Nice job reading the first post and skipping to the end though.

[LiadansWhisper]

"With the addition of Siren and Miasma in PVP"

Mid way through this thread he brought up that he meant in addition to what already exists, we now have siren as well as the use of miasma(and the warrior debuff). Nice job reading the first post and skipping to the end though.

I specifically quoted the post I was responding to. :-\

Scholars have their own issues in PvP, primarily to do with their pet and their inability to do, well, much of anything after they blow their Aetherflow stacks. I suppose there's Leeches...

Out of curiosity, is there an instant ability that imparts Disease on a target other than Miasma II? Because I haven't seen one. The only ability that I know of that does that is the SMN/SCH Miasma/Miasma II, and it has a base 3 sec cast time or requires proximity to you to achieve. Since white hits alone will interrupt any casting a DoM is doing, I don't see how anyone can keep up a Disease buff at such a rate that you can't keep up with dispelling it.