Lustrate needs to be affected by healing debuffs

[Wilbow]

To begin with, I kind of agree with the sentiment behind the OP. From my understanding, the fact that Lustrate ignores healing debuffs is why some prefer SCH over WHM in coil; the 2.1 buff only highlights it all the more.


However, I'd give the edge to WHM in Siren:

1) WHM has a healing potency boosting CD and Heal II, which make the mind control debuff a joke. Lustrate works here too, but with WHM I don't have to freak out over the timing of Aetherflow.

2) Zombies that perma-stun SUCK if you get caught. WHM's knockback + root gives you plenty of breathing room to continue healing -- SCH has no such luxury.

3) If the healing debuff couldn't be removed or the cast silenced, you'd have a point. But come on, you don't have 7.5-10 seconds in convenient 1.5 second intervals to remove it? This fight is not THAT healing intensive -- it just has a number of anti-healer mechanics.

4) Siren hit everybody but me with the debuff nearing last phase! Oh wait, Cure III.

[reality_check]

Why do you think people take 2 healers? Do you really want the party to wipe because neither the scholar nor the white mage to be able to heal the tank under a heal debuff?

It'd be great if there were a scholar everywhere there's a white mage. Unfortunately for Siren and Wolve's den there isn't.

[reality_check]

The fact is that lustrate is our niche heal. It sets us apart from WHMs and gives us an area that we're superior than them at. WHMs have their own niche area too that we SCHs can't compete with.

No one wants to remove scholar's niche. Lustrate is great and should remain great. However, I don't think either healer should have the "niche" of being able to laugh off healing debuffs without blowing some kind of cooldown.

[Thriar]

It'd be great if there were a scholar everywhere there's a white mage. Unfortunately for Siren and Wolve's den there isn't.

In PvP, a whm who knows how to properly sleep and CC is a lot better than a scholar who will eventually run out of lustrates. I always sleep the tank and if there's a scholar I sleep the fairy. That scholar is done after he gets through his 3 to 6 lustrates assuming you have smart dps/tank. WHM can divine seal, regen, then sprint to get away which at the least negates ranged attacks and at the most gets you back to full because melee can't catch up without draining their tp.

Siren is one of the hardest healing checks(4man content) in the game. Both healers have a lot to deal with and each healer has their own way of doing it.

[Thriar]

No one wants to remove scholar's niche. Lustrate is great and should remain great. However, I don't think either healer should have the "niche" of being able to laugh off healing debuffs without blowing some kind of cooldown.

It is a cooldown technically... if anything, they need to make benediction's CD a lot lower to compensate for lustrate.

[SulwynCaliope]

It'd be great if there were a scholar everywhere there's a white mage. Unfortunately for Siren and Wolve's den there isn't.

So because of 1 instance you'd nerf one of the SCH's staple skills? PvP feels broken to me for healers in general so I'm not even going to comment on that.

[Kyomih]

I think everyone profits from lustrate not being affected by healing debuff but to be honest why even put healing debuff mechanics in game if there is a heal that is not affected by it? I think it's a bug and will probably be fixed at some point.

[reality_check]

However, I'd give the edge to WHM in Siren:

Eh. Divine Seal Cure 2 to remove a debuff that didn't get stunned is a lot more work than insta casting one lustrate.

Cure 3 only works if your party miraculous decides to stack after they've spread out for the AoE.

I can run and heal on scholar much easier than on white mage since I can continue to command my fairy to heal the tank white kiting the immobilizing adds.

[reality_check]

I think everyone profits from lustrate not being affected by healing debuff but to be honest why even put healing debuff mechanics in game if there is a heal that is not affected by it? I think it's a bug and will probably be fixed at some point.

The same reason why all abilities are adjusted. It feels out of tune with the rest of the game. I'm all for facerolling through healing debuffs on my scholar but in the long run it doesn't feel right.

[SulwynCaliope]

No one wants to remove scholar's niche. Lustrate is great and should remain great. However, I don't think either healer should have the "niche" of being able to laugh off healing debuffs without blowing some kind of cooldown.

We only have 3 lustrates maximum every minute before we basically have nothing else at our disposal for that fight while WHMs just have to keep regens up at all times.

BUT I will say this, SE needs to fix WHM skills. SoS DIRELY needs to be fixed such that it scales with WHM's mp/ piety in some way. Also I agree that benediction needs to be lowered to match Lustrate's CD much better. 5 mins CD on benediction is stupid and is one of the main reasons I hate playing WHM.