Lustrate needs to be affected by healing debuffs

[reality_check]

Why do you think people take 2 healers? Do you really want the party to wipe because neither the scholar nor the white mage to be able to heal the tank under a heal debuff?

It'd be great if there were a scholar everywhere there's a white mage. Unfortunately for Siren and Wolve's den there isn't.

[Thriar]

It'd be great if there were a scholar everywhere there's a white mage. Unfortunately for Siren and Wolve's den there isn't.

In PvP, a whm who knows how to properly sleep and CC is a lot better than a scholar who will eventually run out of lustrates. I always sleep the tank and if there's a scholar I sleep the fairy. That scholar is done after he gets through his 3 to 6 lustrates assuming you have smart dps/tank. WHM can divine seal, regen, then sprint to get away which at the least negates ranged attacks and at the most gets you back to full because melee can't catch up without draining their tp.

Siren is one of the hardest healing checks(4man content) in the game. Both healers have a lot to deal with and each healer has their own way of doing it.

[SulwynCaliope]

It'd be great if there were a scholar everywhere there's a white mage. Unfortunately for Siren and Wolve's den there isn't.

So because of 1 instance you'd nerf one of the SCH's staple skills? PvP feels broken to me for healers in general so I'm not even going to comment on that.

[Kinseykinz]

So because of 1 instance you'd nerf one of the SCH's staple skills? PvP feels broken to me for healers in general so I'm not even going to comment on that.

hmmm Holy'd like a word with this logic.

That said: I agree with you. I think that SCH/WHM are fine as is...and I don't think that either one is 'screwed' in this battle over the other. I would say it's the team that can help/hurt and the healers skill in knowing what they can/can't do and what they can/can't keep up with. WHM's have to remember we have WAY more crowd control skills than SCH. And we really do have bigger heals. Benediction WILL heal the tank to full regardless of whether or not he has debuffs on him. Our own Medica II regen/regen stack...we can up their potency with DS...and heck, if for some reason you though you could throw away the chunk of MP, a well-timed holy will stun mobs far enough away from you in a circle you AND the party if close enough won't get hit for a couple seconds...

We need to STOP asking for nerfs in competing classes just because they may or may not have it easier on some content than we do. Because all it leads to, is creating less diversity amongst the classes/jobs. Now, if something is just totally unbeatable and/or if it is beyond obvious that one class is excelling in content where the other class keeps failing, then yes, adjustments need to be made...but that is NOT happening in here.

[reality_check]

We need to STOP asking for nerfs in competing classes just because they may or may not have it easier on some content than we do.

There is no such thing as "competing classes" in FFXIV. Level however many classes you want to play. People who get emotional about nerfs are ridiculous. Classes/abilities are nerfed because they are out of tune with the rest of the game and are brought back down to scale to keep the game enjoyable.

Lustrate breaks healing debuffs -- they become trivial when there is a scholar around.

The answer to Siren's healing debuff should be to interrupt it every time. Not to turn around and just blow a lustrate on whoever the target is.

The answer to death sentence should be precise tank coordination, not bringing two scholars and not even bothering to use two tanks.

The answer to a tank standing in white breath should be hallowed ground, or benediction. Not having a scholar just blow a few extra stacks on lustrate.

[Ldlv]

The answer to Siren's healing debuff should be to interrupt it every time. Not to turn around and just blow a lustrate on whoever the target is.

It's your answer, not everyone is the same. Everyone can pick their own play style, no? Or is it only 1 play style is allowed? *shrugs*

[Marcusow86]

Lustrate breaks healing debuffs -- they become trivial when there is a scholar around.

So lustrate breaks healing debuff, benedict doesn't...hmmmm.....sounds a little contradicting but let's move on the your next statement.

The answer to Siren's healing debuff should be to interrupt it every time. Not to turn around and just blow a lustrate on whoever the target is.

The answer to tank being at 10% hp should be to be better in healing . No to rely on lustrate/benedict to save tank's life. Same theory? Get what i mean? The answer is not really an answer if you put it this way.

The answer to a tank standing in white breath should be hallowed ground, or benediction. Not having a scholar just blow a few extra stacks on lustrate.

It sounds to me like the answer to countering a boss' mechanism lies with WHM's heal instead of SCH's.

So let me ask you this, why a boss mechanism's answer must be benedict instead of lustrate? to me they heal a certain % of hp ignoring healing debuff. They can be classified as the same type of healing. So why favor one over the other?

[LiadansWhisper]

So let me ask you this, why a boss mechanism's answer must be benedict instead of lustrate? to me they heal a certain % of hp ignoring healing debuff. They can be classified as the same type of healing. So why favor one over the other?

Jealousy. I truly think that many players don't understand the differences between the two Jobs, and have a serious case of, "the grass is greener on the other side" syndrome.