Just Another 3rd party bot BUT 1000 TIMES WORSE

[Vahzl]

They actually think we don't know what they are and do. This is the internet. How can we, after all.

Lead them all into the skeleton rooms, I say. What are they going to do? Whine to a GM that we hypnotized them and made them follow a string of mobs to their death?

Lol...they're getting too bold for their britches if you ask me.

I mean why be so SERIOUS about me leading a bot to its death if it's not going to be theirs?

Well naturally it's because it is theirs. Six players continuously show up to these topics and WHITE KNIGHT cheaters.

My guess is all six cheat or reserve the right to.

I'm going to start leading them to their deaths if the STF continues to suffer those players. What are they going to do about it?

Nothing. Reload their bot and walk it back out to the field so I can kill it again. I guess they could whine to the bot developers to make bots that we can't make fun of and kill. Or they could do us all a favor and whine to Square that they're botters.

This isn't a witch hunt. This is pest control.

So lets see here. You have made judgement on something you cannot 100% prove, and have now begun to enact your unique brand of justice based on your opinion on the matter.

That is actually the very definition of a witch hunt.

[Vahzl]

Also let me make my standpoint clear, as Peregrine is seemingly lost in a sea of tears, and is starting to try to belittle my name

1) I do not like botters, I do not think it is fair, and I do not agree with their view on that they should do it until they get caught.

2) Botters are in EVERY MMoRPG out there. This problem is definately not unique to FFXIV, or even to SE, it is a worldwide issue, and one of the reasons Chinese internet is being further and further scrutinised daily (just referring to RMT botters here, not domestic).

3) Botting programs are freely available, all you need to do is Google FFXIV bot and you see a very popular one in the first link return. Would I use it myself? No, because I don't trust third party software other than some of the more popular WoW addons, and the FFXI Windower (because I have enough PC knowledge to pull that program apart and poke around inside it). Do I think it is unethical? Sort of yes, but if there were no risks involved, I would probably do it for a few things here and there, but only if I was still in the area of my PC while it was running, for example if I want to watch a movie or have a shower. I don't see much of a problem there, but to reiterate, I don't do it, because I like my account clean and tidy, and not banned, and am also very well aware of how they catch them, and it really doesn't have anything to do with what they are doing ingame.

4) I have some pretty out there opinions on botting myself, due to what I currently do for a living. I see them daily, and work very hard to fight against them, but to see so many people mindlessly whining about their opinion on how they are handled is so disconcerting. You really do have no idea how much work goes into tracking and actioning these things. It is immense. I apologise if I have been a little snarky or rude in previous posts, but being right in the centre of this kind of behaviour, it annoys me to see so many people thinking they know how it all works, and their "off the front of their brain" ideas are the fix, and should be done now. They aren't. Most ideas have been tried, and they don't work, as the RMT very quickly circumvent them.

I hope this explains a little more about my stand point on botting as it is.

Now, to explain a little further about my opinions on some of the posts:

It is great that you want to stop botting, it's fantastic in fact, but don't kid yourselves that you are doing it for the greater good. Already judging by the previous posts, people are standing in known botter locations and killing them, and getting a rise out of it, therefore, you are doing it for self satisfaction, as you very well know that the 20 minutes you spend MPKing them, isn't even going to make a mark on their 24/7 schedule. It doesn't even hinder them. No police officer should ever enjoy using the nightstick, no guard should ever enjoy using their pepper spray, and if they do, they shouldn't be in that position.

I am not a botting sympathiser, but in the same respect, I do not condone renegade justice, as for all you know, you could be wrong, and some poor child is sitting the other side of the screen, with no idea what to do about this guy killing him over and over. It is unlikely, yes, but not outside of the realms of possibility.

If you are so bored with the game that you have become this little self professed super hero, then you should move on to something else.

Please make sure to read the entire post before misquoting it.

Thank you.

[Mortikhan]

1) I do not like botters, I do not think it is fair, and I do not agree with their view on that they should do it until they get caught.

2) Botters are in EVERY MMoRPG out there. This problem is definately not unique to FFXIV, or even to SE, it is a worldwide issue, and one of the reasons Chinese internet is being further and further scrutinised daily (just referring to RMT botters here, not domestic).

3) Botting programs are freely available, all you need to do is Google FFXIV bot and you see a very popular one in the first link return. Would I use it myself? No, because I don't trust third party software other than some of the more popular WoW addons, and the FFXI Windower (because I have enough PC knowledge to pull that program apart and poke around inside it). Do I think it is unethical? Sort of yes, but if there were no risks involved, I would probably do it for a few things here and there, but only if I was still in the area of my PC while it was running, for example if I want to watch a movie or have a shower. I don't see much of a problem there, but to reiterate, I don't do it, because I like my account clean and tidy, and not banned, and am also very well aware of how they catch them, and it really doesn't have anything to do with what they are doing ingame.

4) I have some pretty out there opinions on botting myself, due to what I currently do for a living. I see them daily, and work very hard to fight against them, but to see so many people mindlessly whining about their opinion on how they are handled is so disconcerting. You really do have no idea how much work goes into tracking and actioning these things. It is immense. I apologise if I have been a little snarky or rude in previous posts, but being right in the centre of this kind of behaviour, it annoys me to see so many people thinking they know how it all works, and their "off the front of their brain" ideas are the fix, and should be done now. They aren't. Most ideas have been tried, and they don't work, as the RMT very quickly circumvent them.

I hope this explains a little more about my stand point on botting as it is.

Now, to explain a little further about my opinions on some of the posts:

It is great that you want to stop botting, it's fantastic in fact, but don't kid yourselves that you are doing it for the greater good. Already judging by the previous posts, people are standing in known botter locations and killing them, and getting a rise out of it, therefore, you are doing it for self satisfaction, as you very well know that the 20 minutes you spend MPKing them, isn't even going to make a mark on their 24/7 schedule. It doesn't even hinder them. No police officer should ever enjoy using the nightstick, no guard should ever enjoy using their pepper spray, and if they do, they shouldn't be in that position.

I am not a botting sympathiser, but in the same respect, I do not condone renegade justice, as for all you know, you could be wrong, and some poor child is sitting the other side of the screen, with no idea what to do about this guy killing him over and over. It is unlikely, yes, but not outside of the realms of possibility.

If you are so bored with the game that you have become this little self professed super hero, then you should move on to something else.

Please make sure to read the entire post before misquoting it.

Thank you.

Agreed. Vigilante justice would be no better in this scenario because you can sometimes catch innocent people in the crossfire of over zealous self-appointed internet gaming police. State what you saw, provide proof of your claim and wait for action to be taken. Do not assume something is not being done simply because you did not get a response. There are many methods to remove RMT from any game and the most effective one is observing who they interact with. RMT used to travel in LSs...as they were removed more and more because of affiliations they caught on and now travel around without an LS to brand themselves and others that associate with them. So the STF has to follow their actions now to see who and how many are actually involved. Once they have a clearer picture as to how many RTM they are dealing with (both buyers and sellers) they take action.

I understand people want swift punishment but a bit of patience is required so the right decisions are made against the right people. When going after a cancerous tumor you have to choose the right tool to extract it. The STF could use a scalpel or a nuclear weapon. Both have merits for removing the cancer, just different consequences.

[Wootzie]

There is ppl dieing out in the world...and u care about bots ? I love to play games too but...I hope u dont hang yourself because of this.

[Eldaena]

Also let me make my standpoint clear, as Peregrine is seemingly lost in a sea of tears, and is starting to try to belittle my name

1) I do not like botters, I do not think it is fair, and I do not agree with their view on that they should do it until they get caught.

2) Botters are in EVERY MMoRPG out there. This problem is definately not unique to FFXIV, or even to SE, it is a worldwide issue, and one of the reasons Chinese internet is being further and further scrutinised daily (just referring to RMT botters here, not domestic).

3) Botting programs are freely available, all you need to do is Google FFXIV bot and you see a very popular one in the first link return. Would I use it myself? No, because I don't trust third party software other than some of the more popular WoW addons, and the FFXI Windower (because I have enough PC knowledge to pull that program apart and poke around inside it). Do I think it is unethical? Sort of yes, but if there were no risks involved, I would probably do it for a few things here and there, but only if I was still in the area of my PC while it was running, for example if I want to watch a movie or have a shower. I don't see much of a problem there, but to reiterate, I don't do it, because I like my account clean and tidy, and not banned, and am also very well aware of how they catch them, and it really doesn't have anything to do with what they are doing ingame.

4) I have some pretty out there opinions on botting myself, due to what I currently do for a living. I see them daily, and work very hard to fight against them, but to see so many people mindlessly whining about their opinion on how they are handled is so disconcerting. You really do have no idea how much work goes into tracking and actioning these things. It is immense. I apologise if I have been a little snarky or rude in previous posts, but being right in the centre of this kind of behaviour, it annoys me to see so many people thinking they know how it all works, and their "off the front of their brain" ideas are the fix, and should be done now. They aren't. Most ideas have been tried, and they don't work, as the RMT very quickly circumvent them.

I hope this explains a little more about my stand point on botting as it is.

Now, to explain a little further about my opinions on some of the posts:

It is great that you want to stop botting, it's fantastic in fact, but don't kid yourselves that you are doing it for the greater good. Already judging by the previous posts, people are standing in known botter locations and killing them, and getting a rise out of it, therefore, you are doing it for self satisfaction, as you very well know that the 20 minutes you spend MPKing them, isn't even going to make a mark on their 24/7 schedule. It doesn't even hinder them. No police officer should ever enjoy using the nightstick, no guard should ever enjoy using their pepper spray, and if they do, they shouldn't be in that position.

I am not a botting sympathiser, but in the same respect, I do not condone renegade justice, as for all you know, you could be wrong, and some poor child is sitting the other side of the screen, with no idea what to do about this guy killing him over and over. It is unlikely, yes, but not outside of the realms of possibility.

If you are so bored with the game that you have become this little self professed super hero, then you should move on to something else.

Please make sure to read the entire post before misquoting it.

Thank you.

Peregrine doesn't need to try to belittle your name, you do a fine enough job with that on your own. Don't worry, guy. We are all just unintelligent bot lynchers and you're the almighty knowledge center. Call us white knights while you stand on your soapbox and preach.

All I can say truthfully is I want to help, but have no other ways of doing so other than making suggestions, reporting, and pointing out how nothing appears to get done with this subject. I don't go out and try to get bots killed. I do watch them sometimes so I can make more detailed reports, but that's about as far into it as I go.

You have no right to sit there and try to belittle everyone in this thread that has said anything negative about botting. You will defend their right to bot, but say no word in defense for those who choose not to. You say you don't like it, you say it's good that we want it to end, but instead of being reasonable and informative, you rather call people who don't bot stupid and naive. You are not helpful. We could have all gone with not reading a single post you ever made and felt the same or known just as much as we do now.

I may not know everything that goes on behind the scenes, but that doesn't mean I can't guess at how elaborate a system it could be. I never assumed that absolutely nothing was happening to track these bots and such, all I ever said was how it's been months since bots showed up on the scene, and I am still seeing the same ones. People have told me bot programs were available at launch of the game...how can we, who care about this game and it's future, not care about the rising trend of botting amongst the population?

Just because botting is a plague amongst the majority of MMOs doesn't make it any less okay to be happening on the game we are playing now. I'm not in this for self-gratification. I literally want fairest environment possible for myself, my friends, and other players to play in. Sorry, if this isn't a good enough reason for you, but if people didn't wish for things to change, and show that it matters to them, things may not. There is little more I can do but report and discuss, and yet you'd rather those privileges taken away from me whilst you name-call and antagonize.

Attempt to crucify me if you wish, but whatever your occupation is it doesn't make you all-knowing behind the way SE is handling this problem for FFXIV. All you are proving is how many creative (or lack there of) ways you can make fun of the people that care.

I want legitimate players. I want a fair environment for those players. The bots have already caused serious damage to the game and if nothing is done about them before a cap raise/expansion/subscription comes into play we are all going to have a miserable time trying to play. Bots effect everyone whether they are aware of it or not. Sitting idly by, defending botters rights to bot, and ridiculing those who want to help (but can do little) will never help anything.

[Vahzl]

Peregrine doesn't need to try to belittle your name, you do a fine enough job with that on your own. Don't worry, guy. We are all just unintelligent bot lynchers and you're the almighty knowledge center. Call us white knights while you stand on your soapbox and preach.

All I can say truthfully is I want to help, but have no other ways of doing so other than making suggestions, reporting, and pointing out how nothing appears to get done with this subject. I don't go out and try to get bots killed. I do watch them sometimes so I can make more detailed reports, but that's about as far into it as I go.

You have no right to sit there and try to belittle everyone in this thread that has said anything negative about botting. You will defend their right to bot, but say no word in defense for those who choose not to. You say you don't like it, you say it's good that we want it to end, but instead of being reasonable and informative, you rather call people who don't bot stupid and naive. You are not helpful. We could have all gone with not reading a single post you ever made and felt the same or known just as much as we do now.

I may not know everything that goes on behind the scenes, but that doesn't mean I can't guess at how elaborate a system it could be. I never assumed that absolutely nothing was happening to track these bots and such, all I ever said was how it's been months since bots showed up on the scene, and I am still seeing the same ones. People have told me bot programs were available at launch of the game...how can we, who care about this game and it's future, not care about the rising trend of botting amongst the population?

Just because botting is a plague amongst the majority of MMOs doesn't make it any less okay to be happening on the game we are playing now. I'm not in this for self-gratification. I literally want fairest environment possible for myself, my friends, and other players to play in. Sorry, if this isn't a good enough reason for you, but if people didn't wish for things to change, and show that it matters to them, things may not. There is little more I can do but report and discuss, and yet you'd rather those privileges taken away from me whilst you name-call and antagonize.

Attempt to crucify me if you wish, but whatever your occupation is it doesn't make you all-knowing behind the way SE is handling this problem for FFXIV. All you are proving is how many creative (or lack there of) ways you can make fun of the people that care.

I want legitimate players. I want a fair environment for those players. The bots have already caused serious damage to the game and if nothing is done about them before a cap raise/expansion/subscription comes into play we are all going to have a miserable time trying to play. Bots effect everyone whether they are aware of it or not. Sitting idly by, defending botters rights to bot, and ridiculing those who want to help (but can do little) will never help anything.

It's posts like yours that show just how much you can misread things.

Also it isn't a rising trend, you are just seeing it more because you have nothing else to focus on right now. Judging by your jobs and levels, you have reached a point where you will be looking for things to do, as I would assume you have experienced most of the games content. You have probably seen these botters before, but not noticed as you would have been doing leves in Nanawa mines for example. Now you see them "All the time" because you are on the hunt for them.

It saddens me to see players who would otherwise be hard working and contributory turn to this witch hunt mentality.

I have not at any point defended botters either, yet again you misinterpret my words. I have however pointed out that for everyone that thinks they have found a bot, there are equally high chances that you have just tarnished an innocent players reputation.

It isn't your job to go out collecting heads, and it isn't something you should concern yourself with. They are only in your way when you make them get in your way.

[Eldaena]

It's posts like yours that show just how much you can misread things.

Also it isn't a rising trend, you are just seeing it more because you have nothing else to focus on right now. Judging by your jobs and levels, you have reached a point where you will be looking for things to do, as I would assume you have experienced most of the games content. You have probably seen these botters before, but noticed as you would have been doing leves in Nanawa mines for example. Now you see them "All the time" because you are on the hunt for them.

It saddens me to see players who would otherwise be hard working and contributory turn to this witch hunt mentality.

I have not at any point defended botters either, yet again you misinterpret my words. I have however pointed out that for everyone that thinks they have found a bot, there are equally high chances that you have just tarnished an innocent players reputation.

It isn't your job to go out collecting heads, and it isn't something you should concern yourself with. They are only in your way when you make them get in your way.

It may have to do with the population decrease, but I am not wrong. Several players, even some I once knew, now bot. Don't sit there and tell me that like you're reassuring me there isn't a problem when there most definitely is. I even had to make a decision on handling what to do amongst my own LS when one finally admitted they had been botting to me after my evidence piled up before them.

And I'm not out collecting players heads. It hurts that people I once fought alongside are now using their bots to grind up their crafts. It's discouraging to all players, new and old.

You do defend them, by respecting their rights to bot. The rights they don't have as per the ToS of the game. Maybe you respect them because perhaps you wouldn't have a job without them, but it's not right. It's not fair.

And you are wrong about them being in my or other people's ways. Don't be so naive to say or think that they have no impact on this game. Evidence to the contrary is everywhere, particularly in the wards. I don't have to think they are in my way to feel their presence. I don't even have to see them, report them, or acknowledge them to feel it.

Edit: On a side note, I was aware and very against botting before I even hit my first rank 50 class. Don't try to group me in with some bored crowd. Assuming will be your downfall.

[Vahzl]

It may have to do with the population decrease, but I am not wrong. Several players, even some I once knew, now bot. Don't sit there and tell me that like you're reassuring me there isn't a problem when there most definitely is. I even had to make a decision on handling what to do amongst my own LS when one finally admitted they had been botting to me after my evidence piled up before them.

And I'm not out collecting players heads. It hurts that people I once fought alongside are now using their bots to grind up their crafts. It's discouraging to all players, new and old.

You do defend them, by respecting their rights to bot. The rights they don't have as per the ToS of the game. Maybe you respect them because perhaps you wouldn't have a job without them, but it's not right. It's not fair.

And you are wrong about them being in my or other people's ways. Don't be so naive to say or think that they have no impact on this game. Evidence to the contrary is everywhere, particularly in the wards. I don't have to think they are in my way to feel their presence. I don't even have to see them, report them, or acknowledge them to feel it.

Edit: On a side note, I was aware and very against botting before I even hit my first rank 50 class. Don't try to group me in with some bored crowd. Assuming will be your downfall.

Ok, I think I need to end your little ranting now, as it seems instead of discussing this you would prefer to sit on top of your white horse with your fingers in your ears going LALALALALALALALALA.

You aren't reading things, and you are just being aggressive for no reason, so I am done with you. If you wish to continue to discuss the matter, then feel free to do so, but don't expect a response until you can chill your heels a little. You just sound like any other soap box ranter, screaming about the end of all things, based on the pattern that formed in your cheerios this morning.

[Eldaena]

Ok, I think I need to end your little ranting now, as it seems instead of discussing this you would prefer to sit on top of your white horse with your fingers in your ears going LALALALALALALALALA.

You aren't reading things, and you are just being aggressive for no reason, so I am done with you. If you wish to continue to discuss the matter, then feel free to do so, but don't expect a response until you can chill your heels a little. You just sound like any other soap box ranter, screaming about the end of all things, based on the pattern that formed in your cheerios this morning.

I'm not, but it's okay. I can understand I hurt your feelings. Sorry.

[Ilean]

Ok in the Video right at the start the Maden bug is claimed by the bot. 1/2 into the fight he just lowered his sword and stood there looking at it. Wile the Bug dosent attack him at all. it turned yellow so we Attacked it to mess with the bot. To witch the bot reattacked it and took claim again ( witch should not happen at all)A LS member off screen is killing Bardi. You can see him doing it again 1min 55 seconds into the video. He lowers his sword and the coblyn dosent attack wile he regains health. Next you will see the process again . The bot attacks a Coblyn . Stops attacking lowers his sword. The coblyn stops attacking ( again it should still be attacking him) the mob turns yellow as unclaimed so we kill it. Next we Mulit Shot it and fire off another arrow to witch the bot jumps in and takes our mob it is red to us. but he claims it anyway. That is not right that is a Deadly Bot that like said you go HNM or something you have a claim 3/4s dead and a bot jumps your mob and claims it for him self and kills it. Now what you going to do?

You fail!!!