SMN - 2.1 Live

[Xaosyn]

Summoner feels kind of dumb to play now: too much ruin spam and less things to manage.
I know it's only one spell but I really feel the difference and I get awkward moments when I want to cast thunder and realize I can't.
Spamming ruin feels so retarded I really hate it.

[Seobit]

Cast 3 less thunder per minute, 3 more ruins. Anyone who has an issue with that is seriously easily amused and even more easily annoyed. I'm personally glad to have traded thunder for blizzard 2, it puts us a bit more even with the other classes on ST and a bit more even with BLM on AoE (their AoE was nerfed while ours buffed, even if only by a bit) which I think was the overall intent of the change when SE made the decision.

[Eulogee]

Seobit, while you are correct on single target only bosses, that is not what we do mostly. Trash my rotation was Shadowflare, Bio II, Miasma, Bio, (pause) Bane, Fester, Thunder, tab thunder tab thunder. Caduceus I kept 4 dots on both snakes full time, with a few ruins to fill gaps. There was a lot more then 3 per min on most fights.

And it is one less thing to manage. I am not saying they ruined (no pun intended) the class. But it is easier to play as a result. Not AS fun (note: not saying it is not fun). I do hope they give us something as a replacement at some point. I am thinking maybe Aero?

[Pinoy]

Would like proc ruinII free mp cast when dots crit..

[Georgevonfranken]

Would like proc ruinII free mp cast when dots crit..

Then it would be ruin 2 spam lol. But some sort of proc to mix up ruin spam would be nice

[Pinoy]

Then it would be ruin 2 spam lol. But some sort of proc to mix up ruin spam would be nice

Smn only class that doesnt have procs... come on i want something blinking on my bar.

[SolarMisae]

We lost a move which was a huge part of our rotation. I put Blizz 2 where Thunder once was. Mistake. I keep going muscle memory and seeing myself surrounded by ice wondering where my Thunder went...

But yeah, I really can't find a way to work Blizz 2 into the rotation. I've just been putting an extra ruin where thunder was before now. Kinda boring. :<

[T0rin]

We lost a move which was a huge part of our rotation. I put Blizz 2 where Thunder once was. Mistake. I keep going muscle memory and seeing myself surrounded by ice wondering where my Thunder went...

But yeah, I really can't find a way to work Blizz 2 into the rotation. I've just been putting an extra ruin where thunder was before now. Kinda boring. :<

B2 doesn't fit in the ST/DoT rotation. It is just AoE filler, what you use when you've spread DoTs on everything with Bane, have Miasma 2 and Shadow Flare up.

[CHunterX]

I'd be absolutely ecstatic about the removal of Thunder if they had made the summons actually useful. I was holding out hope that they would realize that the only summon people really use is Garuda, just for Contagion, and revamp them all completely. At this point you might as well simply remove the summons altogether and give Contagion to the Summoner and rename it to Necromancer; the only thing we'd really lose out on is soloing outside of instances with Titan. They obviously want to make the class more braindead with the removal of Thunder, might as well remove the near-useless pets as well.

[Pinoy]

I'd be absolutely ecstatic about the removal of Thunder if they had made the summons actually useful. I was holding out hope that they would realize that the only summon people really use is Garuda, just for Contagion, and revamp them all completely. At this point you might as well simply remove the summons altogether and give Contagion to the Summoner and rename it to Necromancer; the only thing we'd really lose out on is soloing outside of instances with Titan. They obviously want to make the class more braindead with the removal of Thunder, might as well remove the near-useless pets as well.

Necro has pets.. Have you ever tried a full group of smn doing a dungeon... pretty fun and effective wont need a tank or a healer