The PvP Is AMAZING. Square Enix has delivered.

[synaesthetic]

It's bad because it's built around denial. I don't care that Sleep is dominating the arena, even though I'm a BLM. I don't want PvP like that. I want PvP where nobody ever loses control of their character. Ever.

No MMO seems willing to do that.

[Dale]

It's bad because it's built around denial. I don't care that Sleep is dominating the arena, even though I'm a BLM. I don't want PvP like that. I want PvP where nobody ever loses control of their character. Ever.

No MMO seems willing to do that.

I would like that too and dislike CC-like abilities generally.

But I think sleep is being exaggerated on these forums. It's not nearly as OP as people are making out.

It's all the running around that has the most dramatic impact.

[synaesthetic]

I always have a lot more fun in competitive games where you can't make people lose control of their character. You never feel any loss of agency, you always feel like you can do better, there's something more you can do, even if you're beaten. That next time, you can do something different and turn the tides.

In CC-fest MMO PvP? Nope. Everything grays out and you just die.

Wildstar is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2G_8c-u2qc

Unfortunately Wildstar's combat is a mess. It's not sure if it wants to be TERA or Guild Wars 2. I hope they fix it before release, because in the last beta it was really really clunky and seriously unfun. Needs a mouselook toggle, crosshairs and binding attacks to Mouse1/Mouse2 bad.

[Kam8T88]

It's bad because it's built around denial. I don't care that Sleep is dominating the arena, even though I'm a BLM. I don't want PvP like that. I want PvP where nobody ever loses control of their character. Ever.

No MMO seems willing to do that.

Wildstar is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2G_8c-u2qc

[Esmian]

lol 30s sleep is like the most retarded PVP thing in the world. Diminishing returns on sleep is almost non-existent so a blm can put me to sleep for 30s, sleep wears off and then about 15s later they can put me to sleep for another 30s while sprinting away the entire time. Not much anyone is able to do in a situation like that.

[Kam8T88]

Apologist fanboy: "YOU DUM NOOB YOU GOTTA GET PVP GEAR AND ABIILITYS SO SLEEP DONT WERK GOODER, PVP IS SUPPOSE TO BLOW HARD WHEN YOU START"

[Deculture]

Is this a troll thread? This is the worst PvP in an MMO I've ever experienced outside of FFXI's ballista.

[Malakhim]

+1 here. I am absolutely loving PvP.

[Kam8T88]

Unfortunately Wildstar's combat is a mess. It's not sure if it wants to be TERA or Guild Wars 2. I hope they fix it before release, because in the last beta it was really really clunky and seriously unfun. Needs a mouselook toggle, crosshairs and binding attacks to Mouse1/Mouse2 bad.

Those types of things tend to come along eventually. The point is they're doing CC right. Also I play in the beta (it's still going on as of this weekend) and I don't find it clunky at all. It does have some framerate/optimization issues but again, those things tend to get straightened out before release.

[Hanzar]

Well Done some PvP Soon Rank4. And so far well lost almost all matches haha.

I can tell you a few things. Sleep is an issue which I am sure Square Enix will fix. So I am not worried about that.
Now if you guys really want to play hard mode in PvP try with a White Mage. Jesus hard to even heal one spell that aint instant. I got the PvP spell for 10 secs. Still darn hard.