GOOD JOB YOSHI P!

[Keikun]

Can you list out what's challenging about this content? What boss do I have to kill that'll take the combined strength of at least 370 people in order to prove my worth to obtain a license to live in a city state?

Not everything is killing bosses in this game, you want a challenge, tell your FC to give lots of their gil for the FC house, not enough gil WORK FOR IT, do something to earn your house!

I hate how people expect this big luxury houses to be worth 1-2 millions...

Want cheap houses? can you see the lot of people complaining about how easy is to get a house? and that everyone has a house like them?...you people are just like GIVE ME GIVE ME GIVE ME GIVE and then "oh its too easy we want harder things" but then they are like "omg this is too hard"...

[Aenarion]

I have given SE the BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT and the FAITH that you think they do not deserve, and you dare to say I am the one stirring up trubble while you look down on me for no good reason.

As a 1.0 player, no, I don't believe SE deserves much benefit of the doubt at this point. In fact, they've gotten far more than any company would've had.

Hmm,seeing as your entire argument seems to hinge on the notion that the primary method of wealth accumulation in this game comes from player to player transfers and not via means of gil generation, I will simply ignore your childish attempts to discredit valid arguments with tongue in cheek insults, and address your primary concern.

Only against pretentious snobs that aren't even good at being pretentious, and way to not address anything I said after saying you will, as seen below

blah blah blah 1.0 blah blah blah

As clear a sign as any that you didn't even understand what you're trying to argue against.

Here, I'll bold it for you since it's apparently too much of a "challenge" for you:

The original source of the gil is irrelevant, and in 2.0 what happens in 1.0 matters even less, as it's all carried over as a one-time lump sum of potential liquidity.

What matters is the method by which new players in 2.0 accumulates wealth, of which the events you so desperately trying to bring in has little relevance to. You continue to emphasize how much money you've made since early access, yet when pressed for examples of those that did not involve simple gil transfers, you have given nothing but things that was only possible in 1.0, really, who's being evasive?

Basing the price of a commodity meant for the general population on the potential spending power of the richest, which is what SE has done here for the legacy servers, is akin to automakers basing the price point of their line up on the purchasing power of billionaires.

Really, if you still cannot figure out this much, I suggest you never go into any finance related career, this is something even a finance major freshmen would understand.

Also, I might add your response was a classic. You attempt to bolster your arguments by focussing on all of the flaws in my own. However, when I make a valid point it is completely omitted from your response.

Funny you'd try to accuse me of something you just did, though I suppose in your case it's more of a matter of inability to understand basic economic principles rather than anything intentional.

I don't expect you to acknowledge my analogy between a coil group requirement of 8 players to participate in the content and a housing gil requirement of 4 mil (cheapest server) to participate.

I didn't think there was a need to, the coil lock out is just as terrible IMO, but the perception is less so as coil is billed as the highest level end-game content, while housing has always been pushed by SE as a major selling point for everyone.

Well, it seems i'm at my post limit so enjoy yourselves. I hope you understand your complaints are all in vain.

One less terrible poster for the next few hours at least.

[Faelandaea]

Not everything is killing bosses in this game, you want a challenge, tell your FC to give lots of their gil for the FC house, not enough gil WORK FOR IT, do something to earn your house!

I hate how people expect this big luxury houses to be worth 1-2 millions...

Want cheap houses? can you see the lot of people complaining about how easy is to get a house? and that everyone has a house like them?...you people are just like GIVE ME GIVE ME GIVE ME GIVE and then "oh its too easy we want harder things" but then they are like "omg this is too hard"...

They . . . are actually too easy to get . . . I think that in addition to Gil, houses should also be earned by achievements, reputation and progression combined, and then the Gil on top of that. Gil shouldn;t buy everything. Gil is WAY too easy to get in this game. I like the pricing structure . . . it actually enhances the Gil sink so that some of this CRAZY amount of Gil in the economy gets back out of circulation. There's too much generated already.

There I made a "too easy" complaint Actually I was starting to troll, but now that I typed that it makes sense and I think it would be a kick ass system . . .

* Earn reputation requirement.
* Earn rank.
* Earn commendations requirement
* THEN Take the insane amount of Gil you just made while doing these achievements and buy your piece of land.

BOTH sides of this silly argument are doing the whole "It's too hard . . . it's too easy" argument. There . . . a hybrid solution. because instead of whining I'd rather make a constructive suggestion based on everyone's statements in the thread.

[Dale]

Not everything is killing bosses in this game, you want a challenge, tell your FC to give lots of their gil for the FC house, not enough gil WORK FOR IT, do something to earn your house!
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But this isn't a job. It's a video game, which is meant to be something you do for fun.

I think the majority of players wouldn't mind the challenge - as long as the challenge was enjoyable. But mindlessly farming gil for months just isn't going to appeal to a lot of players (myself included).

Challenge is fine. But it needs to be a fun challenge. Not a tedious chore.

[odintius]

But this isn't a job. It's a video game, which is meant to be something you do for fun.

I think the majority of players wouldn't mind the challenge - as long as the challenge was enjoyable. But mindlessly farming gil for months just isn't going to appeal to a lot of players (myself included).

Challenge is fine. But it needs to be a fun challenge. Not a tedious chore.

For some it seems they do treat mmo's as a second job though not every gamer is the same to some this might be fun actually save up and earn something for a change instead of being spoon feed everything. I can agree prices are high but I'll live from it and not go on a rage fest for housing prices forums tend to be filled with very angry and hateful people if you don't agree with their personal view only reason why im here is because of maintenance know lol.

[wildgalax]

anything that makes this game as hard as possible im up for.

[Cerulean79]

anything that makes this game as hard as possible im up for.

Thats easy, do what any good developer does to make content harder, add a random number generator.

[Dumai]

Honestly, I hope all of you whiners just get up and leave. The FFXIV community doesn't really need you. Unfortunately SE will probably cave and give you what you want.