New Live Letter: YoshiP Comments on Housing Prices

[BillyBones]

Common Yoshi, do you really expect players to wait another 3 months for the main content of this patch???

Getting First-class plot on day one and it won't even hurt my wallet. But yeah, you should whine more and wait 3 months to actually see the main content of this patch.

[Eagleheart]

Getting First-class plot on day one and it won't even hurt my wallet. But yeah, you should whine more and wait 3 months to actually see the main content of this patch.

Brother, can you spare fifty million gil for a poor man who wants a small first-class plot on a server down on its luck? *~*

[snakey77]

Getting First-class plot on day one and it won't even hurt my wallet. But yeah, you should whine more and wait 3 months to actually see the main content of this patch.

and you should stop buying off rmts or bullshitting prob a bit of both and grow up

[BillyBones]

and you should stop buying off rmts or bullshitting prob a bit of both and grow up

No need to make premature assumptions about me. The highest price for small houses on non-legacy servers is 10mil. If your FC can't afford that, I have bad news for you.
Unless you are on a legacy server you have no right to complain.

Brother, can you spare fifty million gil for a poor man who wants a small first-class plot on a server down on its luck? *~*

Prices on your server are 25m, not 50.

[Astarica]

Looking at these prices I think the devs actually thought MMO housing is somewhere you spend about half of your gaming life in. These prices would be reasonable if FC housing offered comparable advantage of having a house in real life versus not having one, though I can't even imagine what that would be. I guess you'd have to make it there's a chance anytime you log out somewhere that's not in inn you come back permanently dead, and inns will now charge 100K gil a night.

[Nica]

Actually, it's a way to kickstart the economy.
Everyone will try to gather, but that will drive the prices down too low. So people will try to make gold with crafting.

Uh, not quite, see below.

It will either be furniture or things that other crafters need or even end products which will see a new surge due to the patch release.

Furniture - for who? That massive crowd of no one that’s going to have a house? And out of that extreme tiny market segment, anyone who can afford housing at this kind of prices will be more than capable of making their own, completely negating the need for your goods.

Things that crafter needs – This is not new, nor do I see any reason for increase in demand here, if anything, the money pinching is going to have the opposite effect.

End product? What end product? You mean all those leveling gears that nobody wants or needs, or those two star gears that is getting even more obsolete by the addition of ilvl80/90 gears and higher myth cap?

The gathering prices will then go back up to some extent and the economy will start running much better than it did before when gil wasn't really a thing.

Gil is still not a thing; its only use will be for repairs and housing, because everything else is still just as useless as before.

Furniture will be in high demand for the people actually able to afford the housing.

Yes, because rich crafters like us who can afford housing will totally be out spending our hard-earned gil to buy shit that we can make ourselves for some reason, because spending money stupidly is totally how we got rich in the first place.

[Aruseth]

20,000g per day. So an FC with 10 members will make 200k a day, the cheapest house on Durandal is 40,000,000 . 40,000,000 / 200,000 = 200 days to obtain the smallest house. 30 days (roughly) in a month, 200/30 = over 6 months to obtain the cheapest house on Durandal.

20,000 per day, the most expensive house is 645,000,000, so it'll only take 32,250 days for that FC to obtain that, or with 100 members, 3,250 days, or with 1,000, a year.

"Let's introduce content that most people will not obtain"
"Why?!"
"Why not?"
"Oh, okay, let's go for it!"

hell I made 10mil this month and the month isn't even over. Craft farm fish meld sell not a hard concept. im not bragging about my wealth just saying your idea of 20k a day is so close minded. and in our FC ppl are working together to make the money to get the house we want which is the 312mil one of course and we only have 60 members. Needless to say not a one of us is complaining whaaaaa its to hard.

[BLaCKnBLu3B3RRY]

can someone explain to me what the role bonus is?

[Lexxuk]

Furniture will be in high demand for the people actually able to afford the housing.

The people that can afford housing will have harvesting/crafting/combat jobs at 50, if they require "Uber Wardrobe Of Crossdressing" or "Lalafell Footstool (made with real Lalafell)" or "Pole Dancing Area Of Much Miq'ote...ness" they can get them personally.

The money sink has a HUGE bottleneck, that is that people on poorer peasant servers will be able to buy the property, but may seriously damage their economy by removing billions of gil from it, gil which can no longer be circulated. More expensive servers you may get one or two people who buy a property, and craft their own furniture.

With lower prices, more people buy the housing. If 100 people buy it at 40,000,000 gil, you only need 1,000 people to buy it at 4,000,000 gil to have the same effect, and at a saving of 36,000,000 gil you're more than likely going to have a purchase factor greater than 10.

Now, we have 1,000 people who are after furniture, the demand on the MW for items that craft the furniture (or furniture itself) is high, the prices are high, gil is removed two fold, once with the sales tax, once with the purchase tax.

DoL players harvest up the materials for some of the items, DoM/W harvest up other materials for the items, these get sold on the MW (making them gil in the process). DoH purchase the items and turn them into furniture, which is sold to the FC (making gil for the DoH players). We therefore have several taxes paid, let's look at a table with a little metal Lalafell Stripper Snowglobe (why not? Lala are hot...)

Table requires Wood, Glue, Nails, Wood comes from Botanist, Glue from Fish (why not?) and Nails from Miner.

Wood requires Carpenter, Glue requires Culinarian and Nails from Armorer.
The Lala stripper requires a Pole (Blacksmith) and Snow Globe Glass (Alchemist)
There is also a little cover on the top make out of cotton and leather (Weaver and Leatherworker)

All the DoL/DoH's could have a hand in crafting up that one item, 7 items, that 7 items purchased off the MW for 7 sales/purchase tax (gil removed from economy once) then the finished item sold (gil again removed from sales/purchase).

More money would start to flow around the economy, people would be buying items which would transfer the money around the system, letting people have more gil to put towards whatever they want (I highly recommend the hookers in Ul'Dah, just umm, see a WHM afterwards).

As it is now, the money won't be going around the system, people who have just chucked 40m on a house may find their finances a little bit on the low side so will be more inclined to get the FC to build up the house. Same people chuck down 4m? Not such a big deal, and the possible number of customers for furniture rises.

The houses themselves should be a minor gil sink, enough to make people combine their resources together to buy it. The other features that come with a property should be the major gil sink. Onsen Of Much Nudity (+10% Gil dropped in dungeons) 1,000,000 gil. Fluffy Lala Pillow (Doubles Resting Bonus) 100,000,000,000 gil (Free Lala thrown in with every purchase). Sword Of Chopping Legs Off (Moral + 2%) 1,000 gil. Items which have a major, tangible effect on the players FC, these are the gil sinks, the things FC's want quickly, and will pay for, not the actual house itself.

/edit @ Asureth - the 20k is the figure SE themselves put out, it's how much SE expects us to make daily to put towards the FC. Obviously they expect us on Durandal to be making 200,000 a day. I can, if I put my mind to it, make a million in an hour or so (you did check my crafts didn't you?) I just don't believe my time and effort is worth 10 times as much as an Asuran player.

[Velev]

Lets see here......

hmm i'm on Sarga.......

First Class plot: 312,500,000 gil....

What?! is that it?

I'll have 2 please and still leave me with change!

/sarcasm off

Or Yoshi could come out and be honest and say:

Sorry guys we don't have enough servers to run for the housing and hardly enough to run instances, so we have artificially raised the prices.

So that only a handful of the entire ffxiv player base can afford it since we only have enough to run 1 server for the housing system.

But yes in 3 months once we got those servers ready ( which should have been ready before i even started typing this post ), sure we'll say ' ok after revising the FC housing prices we decided to lower them since the player base has asked '.



Which version would you prefer?