New Live Letter: YoshiP Comments on Housing Prices

[Parodine]

He is saying if we farm 7 days a week for 3 months and give 100% of our gil to the FC we can maybe afford the nice houses... who is actually ok with that

Quoted for eternal truth. And that would be IF every FC member gave 100% of their gil away AND repair costs didn't actually exist. Throw in an extra week or so because of those.

I wanna know the dev team is smoking, cause they're imaginations are going wild, man.

[Lexxuk]

You know, you started off ok then at some point it just went horribly wrong. Not to mention that you're using the maximum price.

To save you some face and all the likes on your post too, I'll give you a hint. An FC has more than 1 person.

Umm, maybe if you went back and read my post you'll see where I stated it would take 1,000 members 1 year to purchase the most expensive property, or do you consider an FC of 1,000 people too small to warrant the largest property? Did you also miss the bit where I pointed out it would take an FC with 10 members 6 months to get the 40m house? Did you totally miss the fact I didn't state once in my post about 1 person saving up that amount of gil? You must have.

Taking into account a 50% reduction, it would take 1,000 members 6 months to obtain the best property, 500 members would take a year, it's simple enough.

[Pibz]

The gil rewarded is increasing in pretty much everything, plus daily activities(beastmen quests and duty roulette).
I'll tell you what even, those 20k seem to consider that people will only do the daily repeatable content, so that value, 20, is probably given with the "casual" in mind.

Also 20k per person on a lets say a 10-manned FC(this is a really small one by the way) amounts 200k a day, again just from the repeatable content probably. Which adds up to 1.4M a week, again just from this repeatable content.

Over the course of a month the amount will have added up to around 5.6M.
So yes that doesn't buy a house in all servers, but people already have money and 1M to have been gathered by the same 10 man FC is a safe assumption(since everyone seems to want housing that bad).
So with that in mind in the first 3 server housing tiers( WHICH IS OVER 80% OF THE GAME SERVERS) the cheapest house becomes easily available to a 10 man FC(with the daily price decrease over the course of 30 days being considered).

Considering a decent FC has around 20+ this is easily farmable in 2 weeks just through repeatable content. Is this seriously excessive for you(anyone reading this lol )?

Also all this assumptions take in mind that you have not been saving up for this(not more than 100k).. which if you haven't would strip away any argument concerning: "Why can't I get this NOW?".

What's most ironic about this, is that even once an house is bought, i doubt everyone in a given FC will have access to explore it fully(change everything in it), also most of you crying "THE SKY IS FALLING" will probably get bored of it in 1-3 weeks after obtaining the thing.

This was never going to be solo-farmable(NOR SHOULD IT BE) it's an FC endeavor, it's an object representing your FC, giving it a place to be proud of or status or just some new fun activity to do as a group, do some of you also want to solo one-click-kill twintania?!
Think about how much better you'll feel about that piece of digitally-stored house once you took at least 2 weeks to get it!

In a finishing note i do feel for people who went and started new characters on the last 2 tiers(legacy), yeah you guys get to complain(only you guys though ).
40M for the cheapest is way too much for someone who started 3 months ago.

On a happy note for you the prices probably won't stay that high, since it's main purpose seems to be to even out the economies across all servers.
Once that is done(probably in next patch time window) I'm betting they'll be reduced. Otherwise the high starting price wouldn't make any sense, and the devs definitely know this(i think anyway <.<).

Anyway sorry for the long post/wall of text.
As a note I'd like to add that i'm not attacking anyone, nor am i "desperately defending" this game(which i would never do, since i have no gains from this game success/demise), just trying to put some perspective into the whole issue.

TL DR: In over 80% of servers the situation is acceptable, and for those in legacy it's pretty bad, but it only makes sense that it'll all even out eventually.

[Mjollnir]

Taking into account a 50% reduction, it would take 1,000 members 6 months to obtain the best property, 500 members would take a year, it's simple enough.

Hi Lexx! /1.0alpha brofist

Anyway talking Legacy servers, 625mil (the most expensive) after 90 days is 310mil (considering a 50.4% reduction - though obvs not sure if it's 50.4% or 50%, but w/e). So for a 100 (active) member FC that's 3.1mil each. That's 1mil per month which is 250k/week - that's not by any means a stretch. Give it six months rather than three if you're playing casually.

I do see the point that most of us exist in FCs that have substantially smaller headcounts (mine is 10 for instance). It annoys me that FCs have the functionality and the identity and that LSes are just chat channels - if it were reversed and the LSes had the identity and Actions, yet small LSes could join together under one FC banner, this whole thing would be a lot more palatable.

Also, for 155mil (price for large on my server after 90 days) I don't want a glorified tavern, I want a Twelve-damned castle with individual barracks rooms for each of the sub-groups of the FC, an armoury, a airship-landing bay, a shop, a stables, a war-chamber, a throne room and a sodding aetheryte crystal.

[KogaDrake]

How is it legitimate when they control the number of instances?

drop the prices low to where everyone can buy 1st class large and no one will buy anything but large plots and they keep opening up more and more instances for people who want large but no small and very few medium have ever sold = empty space, waste of resources ...

prices are high, we work for it, some willing to work more than others = all size/class plots get purchased and optimal use of number of instances and such


Also: (edited from original post)

20k a day per player for just doing their daily roulette and such is likely going to be an easy number for most players to hit, many will far succeed this number per day making it quicker to obtain based on how hard you work. Most people who had any interest in housing have already set aside a chunk of gil so its obtainable sooner then the 3months or work. more gil incoming into server from dailies = more gil for people to spend who are not saving for housing = more gil you can make from those players = faster you can get to price of the plot. Yes it is kinda sad we cant all just go buy the plot and house we wanted right away, and maybe we were mislead that we would be able to, but its not like if you dont buy it in the first 12hrs after 2.1 you will never be able to get a house.

[Lexxuk]

Hi Lexx! /1.0alpha brofist.

Shh, we're under NDA about the fact we were the very first people in the world to play XIV! After the Japanese :P

Anyhow, if we don't move our mouse we'll get 40m gil faster >.> <.< MWAHAHAHAHA

[ChiefCurrahee]

You have to take into account this game is being developed by a Japanese company. Japan's society is based on collective values, they will naturally develop barriers that take teamwork to overcome.

I'm not saying prices aren't too high, but this is prime example of how a MMO (a multiplayer game) should bring people together to obtain a collectively desired reward.

It's like a relic weapon in XI, my LS farmed for 9 months to get 1 person their relic. Then another 6 months to get a 2nd.

At least with housing all members can enjoy the benefits equally.

So take a deep breath, let it out slow. Get together with your FC and come up with a plan on how you'll get your free company COMMUNITY house.

[Nuinn]

It's funny how 90% of the time, it's the people from lower 3 tiered servers (smallest plot priced 4-8 mil at max plot price) are the ones willing to work. Clearly most of the people on higher-cost servers (smallest plot 20-40 mil at max plot price) are lazy >.>

Stripped down to what Yoshi said, 20k earned daily via a battle class is the same for all people on all servers - plot prices, however, aren't....

[jomoru]

You have to take into account this game is being developed by a Japanese company. Japan's society is based on collective values, they will naturally develop barriers that take teamwork to overcome.

I'm not saying prices aren't too high, but this is prime example of how a MMO (a multiplayer game) should bring people together to obtain a collectively desired reward.

It's like a relic weapon in XI, my LS farmed for 9 months to get 1 person their relic. Then another 6 months to get a 2nd.

At least with housing all members can enjoy the benefits equally.

So take a deep breath, let it out slow. Get together with your FC and come up with a plan on how you'll get your free company COMMUNITY house.

Even the Japanese are Freaking out about the High Prices. This is not a cultural thing.

[Tupsi]

I'm old school MMO and I and others, seems very few, know that accomplishments take time.

FFXI -
Mythic Weapon? Takes time, Accomplishment for a weapon that was tailored specifically for your job compared to Relic which was a nice weapon but also took time.
FFXIV -
Housing - You need to spend months to buy a lot of land to just BUILD a house....

FFXI -
Sky/Sea/Einherjar/Delve/Voidwatch. Takes time to get what you want, feels like an accomplishment once you finish that set of armor or take down Odin and Odin v2 or Provenance Watcher.
FFXIV -
You need to spend months to buy a lot of land to build a house.....

I'm old school too..this isn't something that simply shouldn't be. I don't even like the "give it to me now!" mentality, but housing was the one content that was supposed to last once you worn out the supposed "300 hours" worth of content of 2.1.