Yoshi mislead us :(

[Mailstrum]

I dont understand what the big fuss is about. he said houses clearly he didn tmiss lead us. Also every 6 HOURS the land prices will drop. On our server which is non legacy i am a casual player, I do some crafting and farming between raid nights and have easily made 25mil. Now if 4 people in my FC do what i do we could buy a Plot day 1 but we are gonna watch the prices drop and buy one when the prices go down. Its not gonna be as bad as everyone thinks.

[Teleniel]

Cost of the small 5th-class plot, on *new* worlds, is 6,400,000g ... which will fall to 3,200,000g after 90 days.

Main Quest + Side Quest + Guild Hest ~= 2~300k
Running WP / AK ~= 5~10k/run
Levequest ~=200~4,500g/each (depending if you're doing battle or HQ crafting triple turn in, or anything in between)
It's not unreasonable for 10 players to purchase a 5th-class plot, from what I understand this is well within reach of some players by themselves.

Now the more you've spent for good reasons or not... the more you've had to play to keep up with your income. Common costs:
Relic weapon (did you get the materia while leveling? gather the items and make the base weapon yourself?)
Food (did you use it for Titan / Coil?)
Armor Repair (especially before the gil-patch for WP/AK)
Speed-leveling (did you buy things to turn in for quests?)
Armor/Accessories (are you using crafted equipment?)

I do think if you have a stable 8 man team, you can afford to have a house, and put things in it. You won't have the biggest, nicest house, but you will have a house.

Note: I am not a rich player I have about 100k to my name after making 4 relics, almost finishing weaving and changing grand companies for achivements... but I do think the prices are fair.

[Damifino]

On our server which is non legacy i am a casual player, I do some crafting and farming between raid nights and have easily made 25mil.

Don't know about the markets on your server, but on ours, the markets are down the drain of late. Event worse the rush to sell everything you own to attempt to be able to afford the land for your FC house.

You may have made 25M Gil crafting once upon a time, but speaking as one with all 8 crafts at max, you don't see those 2 star 1.5 million sales going on anymore. More like a max of 15K for HQ's.

Whether it's because of the gil removal efforts of the RMT squad, or in increase in bot farmers that have literally flooded the market with everything imaginable, making that kind of money is no longer a possibility.

[Kelvani]

If this was personal housing priced this way, I would be upset. However, it is Free Company housing. If you are a member of an active Free Company, then the price point for entry level housing is realistic. In the process of just following the main quest line, and doing side quests, plus selling a VERY FEW items I crafted as I leveled up, I have managed to save up approximately 1.2 million Gil.

On Goblin, 4-5 players can get the 8 million Gil small grade 5 plot. They might have to wait 90 days until it dropped to 4 million Gil. If we had 8 players ready to kick down we could get our land instantly. Most active guilds will have 15-50 players available, putting the medium plots in range if all are willing to pitch in.

Yes, you wont be able to get the palatial palace right away, but it is only GUILD housing, not personal. Myself, I would rather get our guild a small place to tide us over until personal housing comes out, and start saving up for MY OWN place.

[Tupsi]

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1. It did fix all of the lag issues with 1.23, unless you can show a video of interface lag on par with 1.23?
2. I did remember that screenshot, I was pumped for that game because it was 1.23...only better.
3. They have to pander to the general MMO playerbases, the ones that don't honestly care this is supposed to be a "Final Fantasy game", something that stands out and something sets it apart from the rest, kind of like FFXI did even though it was an "EQ Clone", no one cared because it did so much different (and better) and you either loved it or hated it.

Yoshi only mislead us because he realized if he wants to make the money, he has to pander to the general playerbase.

[KyteStones]

For a game Yoshi stated and wanted to be "casual gamer friendly" really went backwards here. I may not be a casual gamer but i have about 10 people in my FC. All of us are at level 50, even with multiple jobs at 50. we dont even come close to the required amount of gil. i have the most at 1.2 mil and now I have to play the markets? So i pay monthly for a sub, then I have to play grind MORE than I already do, and play the markets like eBay. Glad to know that my "casual gamer" friends in the FC won't get a house if they stick with us. Considering our FC is very close friends all playing.

[Savage12]

For everyone saying he said just for the house did you stopped reading or something?Here is what came after that part. From there it will be possible to buy more land and rebuild, things like that. There will be lots of things you can do like have the roof changed to a different style, and then paint it whatever color you want.The main word you should be looking at in that sentence is More.

[Roris]

1. It did fix all of the lag issues with 1.23, unless you can show a video of interface lag on par with 1.23?

I had to mash abilities in 1.0 all the time hoping they'd activate, I still have to do that because some still have a slight animation lock that won't activate them instantly even though they're labeled as instant. It might be a slightly different issue but the delay is still there. Not to mention the AoE issue that some people keep blaming on bad internet when it's been shown and confirmed by the dev team it's by design, we also had to adapt to it in 1.0 and were promised we wouldn't have to and everything would be more responsive so nothing's changed much either.

[Tupsi]

For a game Yoshi stated and wanted to be "casual gamer friendly" really went backwards here. I may not be a casual gamer but i have about 10 people in my FC. All of us are at level 50, even with multiple jobs at 50. we dont even come close to the required amount of gil. i have the most at 1.2 mil and now I have to play the markets? So i pay monthly for a sub, then I have to play grind MORE than I already do, and play the markets like eBay. Glad to know that my "casual gamer" friends in the FC won't get a house if they stick with us. Considering our FC is very close friends all playing.

Make no mistake, this game is extremely casual friendly and "accessible" to the point everything is meaningless until you hit Coil/Myth farming, this is just an..odd choice considering they likely counted RMT accounts in the economy calculations.

I had to mash abilities in 1.0 all the time hoping they'd activate, I still have to do that because some still have a slight animation lock that won't activate them instantly even though they're labeled as instant. It might be a slightly different issue but the delay is still there. Not to mention the AoE issue that some people keep blaming on bad internet when it's been shown and confirmed by the dev team it's by design, we also had to adapt to it in 1.0 and were promised we wouldn't have to and everything would be more responsive so nothing's changed much either.

Only time I had lag issues was when I had a terrible PC, having a new one built for me fixed all of my "still get hit out of AoE" issues - There's no interface lag, it's just a bad design choice because he stated they purposefully desync'd the animations from the actual skill usage, which is why people die using "instant" abilities like benedicition or still can die even after you cure them.

[McStagger]

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These types of posts are why many developers do not try to freely talk with their user base and lead to complaints of, "you never talk to us!"

He was asked a question before they could get a clear picture of all of the issues that were present to them. He qualified his comment with "rough" indicating the amount was not nailed down and could be different than what he was saying. This happened and now people are trying to hold him to a claim that was a best, but flawed, guess.

You people need to chill the hell out when bad news hits, particularly when that bad news is in regards to something that has little to no real affect on you. You are a bad poster. Other people that do what you did are also bad posters. Many of us like to have open conversations with developers but people like you ruin that for all of us.