FC house prices is a step in the right direction for this game! Less casual friendly.

[Altheras]

I personally think that they're pushing hard for larger FCs and making it a lot harder on smaller ones. Maybe because they intend for the smaller groups to be linkshells and the FCs to be a much larger group effort. That's the only conclusion I can make. =/

[Millimidget]

I'd probably argue that the hardcore crowd that rushes to endgame...The people in the "casual" crowd are usually those stopping to smell the roses

Hardcore players are much less willing to jump ship than you'd imagine; they did invest hundreds+ hours into a game. Casuals by definition don't attach themselves to a game, and readily drop it for any number of other activities. It's an issue of making content with high replay value. Developers leave content with high replay value, such as PvP, on the backburner, giving it far less attention than it deserves and resorting to lazy design such as copying WoW arenas. Instead they focus on content that has little to no replay value, or at the very least rely on primitive mechanics such as raid-lockouts to artificially inflate content lifespan. I don't understand why some people expect everyone else to play MMORPGs as if they were SRPGs, when MMORPGs are capable of offering so much more.

[Sunarie]

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I would disagree and think that you're mixing up casual with lazy gamer. Many casual players are not lazy at all, and do actually work for their stuff. Instead, they spend a lot less time on the game, stop and smell the roses, and spend their time doing other things. I have seen lots of end game raiders hop from game to game as content is released. Coming back for major patches but abandoning the game otherwise once content is finished. On the other hand, if it takes a person 3 months to even clear all the content, they're there for that three months.

That really can't be proven either way though, and is certainly not the point of this thread. Housing -is- casual content. Always has been in games, and probably always will be. I disagree with obtaining the house itself being something that is essentially a time grind (actually, I tend to disagree with anything that only offers "challenge" in the form of time, as that alone doesn't really determine difficulty).

[Millimidget]

I was never going to buy into FC housing, so the prices don't bother me yet. I'm fine with them if they expect it to clear RMT inventories, allowing them to price individual housing more reasonably. Actual gold growth is low and will continue to decline, and I haven't visibly seen bots farming. I wouldn't be surprised if this leads to a round of RMT-related bans, as players turn to RMT services for the necessary funds.

Patch 2.1 : Return of the Bots. If you think there are a lot around now, it'll be crazy in a short while.

Good point; I may want to clear my blacklist in anticipation of a whole new generation of RMT spammers.

I have seen lots of end game raiders hop from game to game as content is released. Coming back for major patches but abandoning the game otherwise once content is finished. On the other hand, if it takes a person 3 months to even clear all the content, they're there for that three months.

Casuals do the same. Many don't even focus on one game, and you don't notice them leave because they're never really on in the first place. They're just as likely to fail to subscribe or quickly cancel, though not for the same reasons.

[Mirania]

Just going to copy what I said in another thread:

The prices for Balmung/Excal/Hyperion/Rag/Sarg are perfectly fine for small and medium, though maybe reduce the large by a little bit.
The prices for the other bundle legacy servers is definitely too high, not sure why it's different.
Prices for non-legacy servers are beyond fine, and easy to get.

These are houses for an FC. An entire guild of people. Working together. Not a personal house.

Just change all legacy to be the same price, and reduce the cost of a Large 5th class to about 150mil, that would make Large 1st class around 225mil. Also taking into consideration the price drop every 6 hours.

Way too many people complaining these prices are too high (even the 8mil tag on the 5th plot on non-legacy servers...tell me again how you haven't been able to save up only 8 mil with a 30man FC in the past few months? ) The problem isn't with SE or the prices, it's between the chair and the keyboard. People ignore the posts that are logical so that they may continue their "NO U" arguments.

^this

also..

Housing is a Luxury and it will stay like that, its not something that you strictly need for endgame content or something else. If your FC haves the money then sure! get the largest house, but its only that... Luxury.

Noone is forcing you to buy the largest house for your 20man FC... you ppl need some common sense, larger plots are meant to be there only for large and huuuge FCs, thats why the price is so high.

[ZaelC]

I have a quick question... Why everyone is just talking about the price of the "First-class Plot Large Size"?. Anyone here knows the actual size of the plots already? or its just a general complain because 2 or 3 people want to get the luxury of the expensier house for themselves. I suppose this is called "FC Housing" because you need an active FC to get the best stuff, if a FC haves 20 Active people I don't think they will need the super Large First Class house. If someone wants it sure go ahead, but understand its a luxury for a whole FC, not a luxury for 3 ppl. You have 3 different sizes and 5 different classes to choose, but everyone wants to get the best one with no effort, and not just that, they wan't to get it by themselves...

[Arrowny]

unregulated RMT controls the bulk the currency and the players are being punished for SQ-Enix's ineptness. The winners in all this are the Rmt who now have a lot of potential buyers. The threat that Housing may get repossessed, but it won't stop people from trying so FC leaders and officers be very careful about who you accept gill from.

[Brahma]

Attempting to buy housing now is foolish. I'm not trying to throw shade, but I don't see what the point even is. All the cool extras like the crafting ares, message board, juke box, etc. won't be coming out until later. You'll get a fancy house that you can decorate and hang out in, but in doing so, all your members will be poor.

What's the point?

I'd wait awhile, enjoy the new content, and let the other companies battle it out in the big money sink that will be housing, though I seriously doubt many, if any, companies will be able to afford housing tomorrow. And, SE will make some changes.

So, wait, you guyses; hold on to your coins.

I was going to happily donate up to 300K to my current FC for housing, but honestly, I'm not going to bother. I don't want to donate over half of my wealth, and it only be 1% of what my FC needs for a building to hang out in. I doubt I'd even be able to decorate in that space anyway, so why would I break my back?

[CrAZYVIC]

Final Fantasy IV ARR is good game but is Aimed for "One type of public onry".

One the reasons for lots of MMRPG are failing is because they lack of diversification. You need aim in your game for Casuals, PRO and hardcore players.

If you aim only for casuals. Your game will be boring and extreme easy.
If you aim for PRO. Your game will be optimal but the hardcore people will still need more challenge.
If you aim for HARDCORE onry. Then your casuals and pro quit the game for the time consuming.

Aiming for a Casual players onry is the worse idea a video game company can do. The casuals are good for buy "Started sales" but they Terrible for keep going with something.

Casual = People Play less 1 hour per day 20% of my attention.
Pro = People with gaming sessions of 3 - 4 hours 50% of my attention
Hardcore = People with Gaming sesssions over 6 hours per day. 30% of my attention

Giving your playerbase a good vertical progression in gear is Fun and exciting, because they will start play Small Raids, Then Medium raids for end with Hardcore raids.

ARR is follow the steps of TERA. You can have a wonderfull game but without content for Raiders your game will be Boring.

This is a vertical gear progression.

For Casual players.

3 Raids ILV 75 - "4 players" - Time estimated for Complete your gear 30 hours
3 Raids for 8 players ILV 85 - time estimated for complete you gear 60 hours

For Pro playerbase

3 raids for 12 players ilv 90 - Time estimated for complete your gear 100 hours
3 raids for 18 - 24 players ilv95. - Time estimated for complete your gear 200 hours.

For hardcores.

Real Relic weapon. You can do it alone or Raiding - Time estimated 500 Hours. ILV 115
Real Mythic Weapon. You can progress alone or Raiding - Time estimated 1000 hours. ILV 130

lockout the content = Idleness and cheap way for stop your hardcore playerbase..

In conclusion. Having content for all your playerbase is the more Solid bet on the future.

[Mamba]

This isn't "anti-casual," it's a long-term goal.

This 100x.

Set a goal, make a plan and then execute.
Lets say you have 20 members in your FC (that's pretty small FC) Everyone gives 20k 3 times a week, so 60k a week (and this is btw extremely easy to get, with a little effort you can get a lot more). Every week you are saving 1.2 mil - in 2 months you have 9.6 mil, in 4 months you have 19,200,000... And this is with hardly no effort what so ever. You just need someone to keep track of the gil.
By that time the price will have gone down and you will afford to buy a small plot for your SMALL FC even if you are on the highest price Legacy server.
Now if you want the biggest and fanciest plot, then I assume you have a big FC and you should be able to collect money from the members much more efficiently.
Tell everyone to pitch in, saving gil in FFXIV is very easy.