Thunder, Medica II, Cure II/III, Holy and why it's not that bad

[vpc]

I believe reducing cooldown for Shroud of Saints to 2 min or less would do wonders to alleviate this.

Thanks for reading!

Shroud of Saints is already on a 2 minute cooldown timer.

[Colvin]

Shroud of Saints is already on a 2 minute cooldown timer.

The recast time is 180 seconds

Thunder was a significant part of SMN's DPS (10-15%).... etc

I don't really see the justification for this given the math. Again, you can just cast a ruin for the same cast time and less MP

I don't dispute it is a nerf. Just that it isnt all that bad. There are plenty of things that make WHM better than sch in various situations.

Spamming Holy back to back would actually make you loose at least 2 seconds of Stun, especially when you might need to heal in-between (if a mob gets a hit off before the cast gets off). Also, remember that if you DON'T need to be curing at all, then you can only hold monsters in place for 3 consecutive casts, now you can extend that with binds.

[vpc]

The recast time is 180 seconds

No...the recast is 120 seconds.

[Colvin]

No...the recast is 120 seconds.

well every site says 180 seconds. Admittedly, I don't recall as I just use it whenever I need it. If it IS 120 seconds, then my point doesn't change as, in either case, it needs to be shorter (just in my opinion).

Here is some links:

http://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/Conjurer
http://www.ffxivinfo.com/class/conjurer.php
http://www.ign.com/wikis/final-fantasy-xiv/Conjurer

[vpc]

well every site says 180 seconds. Admittedly, I don't recall as I just use it whenever I need it. If it IS 120 seconds, then my point doesn't change as, in either case, it needs to be shorter (just in my opinion).

I'm not sure why all of those are incorrect, trust me I main the class and I can tell you that it is indeed 2 minutes. Also:

http://xivdb.com/?skill/130/Shroud-of-Saints

Nonetheless, I do agree it needs to be on a shorter CD or something to offset the Medica 2 change. There are a few options they could do aside from lowering the CD such as scaling it with our own mana or give it a flat return but still being MoT(let's say 40% so it is equal to Aetherflow, but ours is 2 mins instead of every min)

[CalvatE]

well every site says 180 seconds. Admittedly, I don't recall as I just use it whenever I need it. If it IS 120 seconds, then my point doesn't change as, in either case, it needs to be shorter (just in my opinion).

Here is some links:

http://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/Conjurer
http://www.ffxivinfo.com/class/conjurer.php
http://www.ign.com/wikis/final-fantasy-xiv/Conjurer

xivdb has more merit than any of those. I'd expect better from Console Games wiki though

p.s if you don't even know the cooldown on Shroud of Saints I don't think you have much say on WHM skills

[Bigpurpleharness]

well every site says 180 seconds. Admittedly, I don't recall as I just use it whenever I need it. If it IS 120 seconds, then my point doesn't change as, in either case, it needs to be shorter (just in my opinion).

Here is some links:

http://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/Conjurer
http://www.ffxivinfo.com/class/conjurer.php
http://www.ign.com/wikis/final-fantasy-xiv/Conjurer

Yeah... Enhanced Shroud of Saints. Dude, if you can't be assed to know cooldowns, you want people to take your opinion on a job's balance?

It'd be like someone saying SCH is OP cause they can Aetherflow every 15 seconds.

[Bixby]

Yeah... Enhanced Shroud of Saints. Dude, if you can't be assed to know cooldowns, you want people to take your opinion on a job's balance?

Enhanced SoS changes the refresh potency from 60 to 80. There's no trait that changes the recast time.