FC house prices is a step in the right direction for this game! Less casual friendly.

[Sovereign]

Yes. Lets drive the vast majority of players away from this game so it can die alone in a ditch like Square Enix's first failed attempt. That way the entire team can get replaced (again) and the company can go bankrupt. That's just a wonderful idea.

/sarcasmoff

Seriously though, the only way this game will work is if it appeals to the widest array of players possible. Yeah, that means casual content.

[Kirschey]

they don't include the house. Yes, you also have to pay for the house and yes, they've said it will be considerably cheaper, but it's still an extra expense on top of the high admittance price.

I agree with you the house should come with the plot of land. I also don't know of any other game that makes you purchase these separately...Maybe reskins for your original home model, but definitely not the base.

Also, blaming players for being "understandably" upset...no. There is a difference between people saying "I can't afford 500mil+ this is absurd" and "My fc of 30+ people has been saving for months and 8mil is impossible"

[Despite]

Yes. Lets drive the vast majority of players away from this game so it can die alone in a ditch like Square Enix's first failed attempt. That way the entire team can get replaced (again) and the company can go bankrupt. That's just a wonderful idea.

/sarcasmoff

Seriously though, the only way this game will work is if it appeals to the widest array of players possible. Yeah, that means casual content.

WoW reached 10 million subs with content considerably less casual friendly than this.
It took weeks or months to reach max level. Then grind heroics for weeks to get ready for raiding. Oh hey, rng loot drops and and weekly lockouts meant you might not get an item drop for weeks. No colored sections on the ground to hand hold you where not to stand.
FFXIV is a kid's game in comparison.

[Roris]

Also, blaming players for being "understandably" upset...no. There is a difference between people saying "I can't afford 500mil+ this is absurd" and "My fc of 30+ people has been saving for months and 8mil is impossible"

That really does depend on the servers and the FCs and also remember that many people especially in new worlds had issues with gil making in the beginning, it was a big issue that was mostly resolved by having dungeons drop gil and that solution was implemented about a bit more than a month after launch IIRC. In theory, yes 8 mil should be relatively easy for a 30 man FC to pool up, especially if they were prepared for the costs and were really saving up for it, still you can't blame the majority for being upset about being misled about the costs. You also have to remember not all servers have the same prices, I honestly was also expecting around 8 mil, I was not expecting 25 mil let alone 315 mil for the best plot, and again that's just for the plot.

All this could have been so easily avoided if they just had given an updated rough estimate of the costs, they did offer an estimate of 4-5 players at level 50 with just one class after finishing the main quest but they never updated us on it. Had they said right at the start service for example "We've come up with an estimate of the upcoming housing prices, we estimate around 8-10 million gil for a small house and 100-150 million gil for the best one" then yes, you have every right to put the blame on the players for complaining they don't have enough gil when everyone was given a fair warning well in advance and 4 months to save up for it. That didn't happen, all we had was the previous official statement of 4-5 players that was repeated constantly all around the year up to the game's launch.

Overall it's just a big math screw up and making too many wrong assumptions about the economy, just because a server has so much money doesn't mean everyone has access to it, it's usually only a couple of players that have such high figures and sadly the majority of them seem to be RMT, and even people that got high figures legitimately got constantly banned so there's also that.

[Sciwolf]

yeah hardcore gamers are all about stats and numbers and min maxing. Now if having a house gave you stat boosts,...

[Kirschey]

-snips for character limit-

I completely agree on the pricing matter with you, That one group of Legacy servers that is double the price for whatever reason...doesn't make sense. I understand them making regular servers cost less than legacy, this makes sense, but all the legacy should have the same prices as each other.

And yea, it could have been avoided if they gave us any knowledge about the housing, but for whatever reason SE likes to be incredibly secretive about their patches, releasing info only just before the patch, and on occasion even waiting until after patches to post notes. I don't understand why they do that lol

[Yshnal]

I would like to know how many of those self-proclaimed hardcore do any kind of content (Coil, for example) without looking any guides. Because, and I'm sorry to say this and burst your bubble, you aren't as super hardcore or old school as you feel here in the forums if you use any kind of guide to beat content, period.

Now you can get back to tell other people to stop complaining about the overall housing prices and learn about past MMOs and about challenging things (as if grinding money was challenging and not a chore), I won't stop you.

[SDaemon]

*rubs hands together and lifts them up to pray*

Please oh mighty and exalted legacy veterans! I beg of thee, show me how you make 600mil gil rain from the sky!!!

Sincerely,
A very sad kitty cat!

[Ethir]

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Why is it even between the legacy servers; the prices are different ? SE knows the actual total gil in the servers; that's including those gil seller

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I'm not sure which server you're on; but mine ? they barely do it at all. I do leves every days; and I see barely 4 other person were doing it. And selling Allagan items ? I don't remember you can sell those equips to NPC, even if you can, the reselling price is not on pair with the time you do it. Doing dungeons, beside CM which you can't skip; most dungeons can do speed run. Unfortunately doing speed run the same with skipping money earn. AK could generate more than 3k of gil if you do all the adds; but that will be nearly 1h. And most of you don't like it, people only did AK for tomes which cap at 300. So there aren't much money pour from dungeons running and selling Allagan pieces.

[Ethir]

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My deepest apology. I was annoying because a good game had been turn into Wow. However it is no excuse for me to be rude.

The number of total amount of gil in 1 server , SE got that number. Consider the house prices in each server, I would expect the total gil in that server would be around the price for the highest land or could even higher. For example: Server A has total 400m gil, the reasonable price for highest piece of land is 20m; peoples can easily get that number by regulating the gil in the market without earning new gil; result in 1st month at least 200m gil will be gone, and 100m more will gone the next month; however because lands could be obtainable by regulating the gil; no one actually know that the total gil are depleting therefor no gil pour in and the market is collapsed. However; if the price is high for example 200m gil; then they could not obtain by regulating the market gil anymore, and they have to pour in the gil.