FC house prices is a step in the right direction for this game! Less casual friendly.

[LiadansWhisper]

Mostly because you don't try to even think about it. You earn money by selling item in the market ? It's no earning money; it is circulating money. Who will by your item ? NPC ? or a player ? Where did that player earn money from ? by selling other item on the market ? Hence there IS NO new money pour into the game. Try to think before posting.

You know, it would be easier to take you seriously if you didn't call people stupid every time you post. There's a few things I could say about your ability to be coherent, but they would be mean of me to say, so I will simply go with: Please be polite if you want a polite response.

The price of houses is correct because it force player to earn new money instead of circulating the total amount of money in the server.

I am glad you are happy about the prices. I am not. I disagree on a fundamental level with you, and I think your conclusions are very far off the mark. However, it's just as clear that you are incapable - probably willfully, tbh - of discussing this on a rational level with people who disagree with you. You instead tell them things like, "Try to think before posting," which is hilarious coming from you.

[Nica]

Hence there IS NO new money pour into the game. Try to think before posting.

Except, you know, the tens of thousands of dungeon runs by players every week, and all the allagan pieces sold to npc, and the leves used by people to lvl up....

You know, the thing that you said people should do(and is already doing)?

Think before posting indeed.

Clueless as Ethir is, he actually almost has a point - gil sink/fountain ratio in FFXIV is out of balance - mostly because repairs, teleport costs and market board fees (the latter being the greatest offender) eat up most of the "fresh" income, and barely any gil is truly generated once you're done with the main story line + side quests.

Yup, that I definitely agree - but adding a huge sink that will do little other than encourage hoarding and depressing what little economic activity are left (ironically not unlike what happened to Japan for several decades) is exactly what you shouldn't do.

It will really come down to the amount of gil injection in 2.1, but I don't have much faith that SE is competent enough to strike a good balance based on their past record. This kind of housing price would be acceptable if there was the economic foundation to support it, but I don't see that happening in 14 anytime soon, if ever.

[Xenobius]

Except, you know, the tens of thousands of dungeon runs by players every week, and all the allagan pieces sold to npc, and the leves used by people to lvl up....

You know, the thing that you said people should do(and is already doing)?

Think before posting indeed.

Clueless as Ethir is, he actually almost has a point - gil sink/fountain ratio in FFXIV is out of balance - mostly because repairs, teleport costs and market board fees (the latter being the greatest offender) eat up most of the "fresh" income, and barely any gil is truly generated once you're done with the main story line + side quests.

[Doo]

They should at least give free starter housing maybe that would solve the problem. Give huts as the first type of housing for free sort of like the cool Mog house in FFXI you get for free.

[Velox]

lol it's ridiculously hilarious seeing all the ppl on the forums QQing about house prices. I mean god dam did you expect a GOD DAM HOUSE to be a cheap as dirt bs? it's a fking house for god dam sakes xD

You've obviously never played LotRO

[Ramesses]

Mostly because you don't try to even think about it. You earn money by selling item in the market ? It's no earning money; it is circulating money. Who will by your item ? NPC ? or a player ? Where did that player earn money from ? by selling other item on the market ? Hence there IS NO new money pour into the game. Try to think before posting.

The price of houses is correct because it force player to earn new money instead of circulating the total amount of money in the server.

I have to side with Liadan and several others on this... and say you are still missing the critical point: the pricing for housing IS excessive. Rather than creating a gil sink, what even likely occur is that the economy could start to become stagnant in some areas because people might cut spending and start trying to horde up their gil.

About why I still say the pricing is ridiculous is quite simple. Allow me to explain... if Yoshi and the Dev team had specified that the first class housing (costing 312 million on my server, Excalibur) would be something similar to a mini city, then I would say yes, the price is justified. Thus, it now becomes a unique status symbol that all the largest wealthiest guilds can all aspire towards.

For example, (and I will try to use some simple games here to get my point across)... in games like dot.hack GU, the two largest guilds had their own exclusive housing zones with their own private council rooms, pvp arena's and so forth. Even in SAO, the Knights of the round had a massive stone palace and such.

Now, here on Eorzea, if Yoshi had said the first class FC housing would be the size of say, a whole zone within Ul'Dah (something like the whole "Chamber of Rule" area)... and that it comes with its own aetherythe crystal that gives free ports, its own private pvp training arena, private lake or river or pool, private rooms for all members, private garage out back for a couple huge airships, private chocobo breeding grounds etc...

Then, it now becomes (and sustains) a clear future objective that the "elitists" can continue to strive towards. But charging 300 million for the land that will hold the mansion that was shown in previous Live letters is just too exuberant and demolishes the morale of newer smaller FCs who have actually worked very hard to stay together while hoping to find a private niche they can call their own.

Personally, the more I think about it, the more I realize I'm not bothered about it anymore... I just won't buy. Period.

[Skotie]

For once, we are actually getting a real challenge in the game that is not obtainable by 99 percent of the playerbase. I am glad SE makes you feel this is impossible because so far it has all been a cakewalk. Honestly, they got it the wrong way around. Relics should have costed 8 mil, not houses. You know, relics costed 100+ mil in FFXI, and Mythic weapons were over 300++ mil. Houses are clearly going to be a luxury item, not a casual reward you get from grinding dungeons or defeating 3 easy bosses. Hope you guys understand and stop crying about RMT and having things become hard. Boo hoo.... Get with the program and learn about past MMOs that were actually challenging for once. This is a huge plus for the FFXI veterans.

If you think something is hard because it takes a long time to achieve then congratulations you fail at life.

[Atheena]

The prices are exuberant! 625 million for a plot of land? yeah SE can pretty much keep the game to themselves! I mean really folks the houses will be ridiculous to build. Even on those Tier 1 legacy servers, if the FC had 500 people they would have to donate something like 1.2~ million and not everyone goes out to farm stuff like that!

Way to go SE you reduce gil 1/10 of its 1.0 value and jack up up plots 100/1 of the value ! "THE RENT IS TOO DAMN HIGH"

[yoshikwalla]

I have to side with Liadan and several others on this... and say you are still missing the critical point: the pricing for housing IS excessive.

Allow me to explain... if Yoshi and the Dev team had specified that the first class housing (costing 312 million on my server, Excalibur) would be something similar to a mini city, then I would say yes, the price is justified. Thus, it now becomes a unique status symbol that all the largest wealthiest guilds can all aspire towards.

For example, (and I will try to use some simple games here to get my point across)... in games like dot.hack GU, the two largest guilds had their own exclusive housing zones with their own private council rooms, pvp arena's and so forth. Even in SAO, the Knights of the round had a massive stone palace and such.

Now, here on Eorzea, if Yoshi had said the first class FC housing would be the size of say, a whole zone within Ul'Dah (something like the whole "Chamber of Rule" area)... and that it comes with its own aetherythe crystal that gives free ports, its own private pvp training arena, private lake or river or pool, private rooms for all members, private garage out back for a couple huge airships, private chocobo breeding grounds etc...

Then, it now becomes (and sustains) a clear future objective that the "elitists" can continue to strive towards. But charging 300 million for the land that will hold the mansion that was shown in previous Live letters is just too exuberant and demolishes the morale of newer smaller FCs who have actually worked very hard to stay together while hoping to find a private niche they can call their own.

Personally, the more I think about it, the more I realize I'm not bothered about it anymore... I just won't buy. Period.

While I'm still willing to save up with my friends to buy the largest FC plot, I definitely agree with you in this case. We're still getting personal housing in an untold number of months, and Free Company housing should be a big goal. It should be something that FCs can work together on so they can feel a sense of completion and accomplishment.

But for something to be viable as a longterm goal, it has to appear to be a worthwhile investment. In other words, it has to be worth the time. I'm willing to put in a lot of effort to get that First Class plot because I'm a housing maniac, but I'm definitely not gonna white knight about it. I can more than understand why people wouldn't want to, and I hope there can be more budgeted options for FC Housing in the future.

[Atheena]

I'm tired of the casual player stuff! Why a game can't cater to both types of players? Am I a casual cause i want housing, like housing, and craft more than I do dungeons? No it's because I have a family, friends and working on obtaining my Masters Degree to become a Nurse Anethesis and Nurse Practitioner. I don't expect to be geared like the "Hardcore" folks, just want to play the game in a reasonable way