BLM Invisible Nerf

[Vortok]

My concern with this change is that it punishes casual players who are more interested in playing what they want than group stacking and that if it's significant enough to really matter it seems like it'd be more of a bandaid to class balance than.

I kinda view it the opposite way. Most casual players aren't going to care too much about how fast the LB builds. At worst they'll stand around in an early phase to build the LB bar (like how many did for Titan to LB the heart if dps couldn't burn the heart without a LB anyway). The hardcore players will care much more about how fast the LB builds because they'll be paying attention to not only when they can use it the first time, but also their subsequent uses of it later in the fight. They're the ones you had to worry about class stacking and benching other jobs anyway. I feel that casual players are also more likely to get more gear before doing a fight and thus outgear it, so more room to play with.


I seem to recall them mention class stacking impacting how fast the LB builds awhile ago - around when they talked about content up through Ifrit HM being balanced without cross-class abilities in mind. Maybe they were referring to the upcoming change, or maybe it was already in and the patch is just making the difference more pronounced if you class stack.

[ChickensEvil]

To clarify, there was always a LB penalty for class stacking. They are just making is worse than before. How much worse? we will have to wait and see. But it was indeed always there. Our T5 group has no class doubles in it right now, and we were running with a pug friend who was rather shocked that we were getting LB3 right at the end of P2 instead of it "just barely" making it up in time for the end of P3, which is like 2 minutes sooner than he was used to. Class stacking was a huge hit before, and now I expect it to be even worse to the point where you will barely have a LB2 up by the time you need it for P3 of T5.

[ChickensEvil]

To the issue of the timing of umbral and astral ticks/buff/whatever, the video has been pulled from youtube, however if what you are suggesting is true then this is good news

[Subucnimorning]

The additional LB penalty for stacking classes was completely unnecessary, coming from someone who has 8 different classes in our Coil group.

[Dyne_Fellpool]

Its a fix, not a nerf. Double dipping was never intended.
Nerfs are changes to things that WERE intended but devs changed their mind. A Fix is a change to something that was never intended, to make it work how it IS intended.

Yeah, its a bit of a nitpick. But I see these 2 terms being used interchangeably way too often on these forums.

[Allyrion]

I got to see the video but I had reached my daily post cap and couldn't reply.

The mana ticks were definitely not 3 seconds.
Please stop spreading this from the OP's casual observation. Anyone like SongJoohee who looked at the video carefully could've seen this.

They did seem to fix the double quick cast, however.
I kept repeating the part of the video where Yoshi transitioned to AF3. What I found was that there was no buff during the casting of UI3 and then he was granted AF3 after the cast.
This could mean:
A) Casting the Fire III removes the UI3 and finishing the cast gives you AF3. (This could mean interrupting the cast will make you lose the buff)
B) It was a natural delay between the buffs which means that starting the cast of Fire III will change your buffs. (This seems abuse-able and unlikely)
C) Something I haven't thought of.

Please don't use either options as something definitive. We will see on Tuesday what the situation is.
Knowing the buff disappeared during the cast is still something. I paused the video during his casting (with the cast bar halfway) and there was no buff but it had not run out of time cause he had just casted it (he skipped thunder to burn the gaol).

The mana ticks were one server time as they always are. Each differed in speed and only one was even close to 3 seconds.

[Kenji1134]

What concerns me is IF they really did "fix" the double quick cast, for one very simple reason.
I am a Highlander. I have THE lowest racial piety of all classes. I have 3629 MP (239 PIE) with no additional points in PIE, or PIE on any of my gear.
As it stands, I need an extra 12 PIE to be able to do the 5 Fire 1 rotation -> B3 -> T2 -> F3.

My answer to this issue is the double F3 rotation, which lets me do equal, if not slightly greater dps using my bare minimum mana pool.

Now, if they would be so kind as to reduce the mana cost of F1 to 310, so it costs 620 in AF3, and then reduce the cost of of each of the Thunder spells by 5 for example, then ANY race would be able to perform the "ideal" BLM rotation without needing to spend additional points in PIE at the cost of damage.
As it stands, if they "fix" things, I am going to be kinda gimped as a BLM simply because I chose to be a Highlander.

Now the other option, as I am sure someone will boldly mention is to use Thunder 1 instead of Thunder 2... Again, lowering my dps BECAUSE I chose a particular race... When they said that your race would NOT affect your endgame potential.

[LobsterBisque]

Not invisible. They've already said they were going to fix the double flares

[00SevenSword]

All throughout the BLM quests we are reminded how we are sacrificing our souls in order to deal the most destructive power of any class. So my question is, is that still going to be the case? Or have they nerfed us that we're no better than a DRG? Actually worse because DRG has no cast time and can move while dps'ing.

[Waliel]

A) Casting the Fire III removes the UI3 and finishing the cast gives you AF3. (This could mean interrupting the cast will make you lose the buff)

Wouldn't this mean we have to pay higher mana cost for F3 and B3 while switching between stances with those spells? That could very easily end up costing BLMs one Fire cast per cycle, or always having to wait for mana tick to use Thunder or something. I hope I'm over-thinking this.