Huge SMN nerf: we're losing Thunder

[Shamirah]

Don't put Miasma II in there unless you're fighting more than one mob. For one you'll have to be close to the mob and, secondly, it's overall potency is worse than ruin. That being said, casting Ruin over and over can become boring so I do add a miasma II sometime myself for the sake or diversity.

Miasma II with contagion.

[Miotoss]

good summoners already spam ruin 1 and 2 dont be stupid.

[EvokerKeii]

Raging Strikes + Int Potion + Thunder (and other dots of course) + Contagion is far, FAR more DPS than just "Ruin 2 moar" (which, if you're casting Ruin 2, you're bad. If you're suggesting it, you have no credibility).
Also, with Boot change, DPS goes down further.

[Tannlore]

thats what i say, just simply replace it with ruin to fix that little dps lost.
Sure, it won't be the same damage, but it's not the end of the world for smn.

It still is a dps loss, stack in the change to bane and contagion, and the loss of a viable crit option for boots.

It isn't one thing, it's all these things together that hurt the job. I already said in an earlier post above yours that we will have to toss in ruin/ruin2 to offset some of the dmg loss from thunder, but it is still a lot. The loss of thunder, given the amount it can do when it crits, is still a loss of at least 10% dmg over ruin 1/2 (considering ruin 1/2 both need to crit to deal the same dmg as thunder)

[Dannyl]

Miasma II with contagion.

Fair enough, that does get it up to 120 potency.

[Tannlore]

Don't put Miasma II in there unless you're fighting more than one mob. For one you'll have to be close to the mob and, secondly, it's overall potency is worse than ruin. That being said, casting Ruin over and over can become boring so I do add a miasma II sometime myself for the sake or diversity.

Miasma 2 is there for completeness of damage for an over all picture. Never once did I say it's a primary rotation, just the complete total damage you can do, as a smn, w/o your egi boosts or crits. However given the loss of thunder, you might now NEED to do this to keep the damage you loss ne? (god I hope I'm joking lol)

How can you even say that without including ruin and garuda?Yeah when I cast thunder, and only thunder, it's 100% of my dps! In 2.1 I will do exactly ZERO (0) DPS!

Because this is a picture of -YOUR- damage, not your egi or bust damage. That amount is a picture of the damage you output over time, which is your primary source of damage. thunder is DOING its damage while you can do these burst activities.

As for egis, that's a whole kettle of broken fish that needs to be fixed badly.

Edit: Actually let's take your inclusion of Egis. Without thunder being boosted by Contagion, it is now a bigger loss than alone.

[Miotoss]

Basically zero point to this class in coil now besides turn 4.

[Majidah]

Patch notes: "Thunder Can now only be used by thaumaturge and black mage."

Thunder is at least 10% - 15% of SMN total DPS (including pet). This is a pretty big nerf for SMN... especially considering melee DPS classes are getting buffed.

Well, time to go BLM.. except for all this myth I spent.

Oh, and Allagan Boots nerf:
Before: INT+18, VIT+18, Critical Hit Rate+21, Accuracy+15
After: INT+18, VIT+18, Spell Speed+21, Determination+11

Thunder was more damage than ruin, *however* you will now be casting ruin instead. So while it is a nerf, it isn't as big as 10-15% your damage.

[Majidah]

Basically zero point to this class in coil now besides turn 4.

egi + fairy + 1 person fireball mitigation. 2nd best damage in game.

[Madoka]

RIP Thunder
RIP Summoner
RIP Egis that aren't Garuda
RIP Virus

RIP