Huge SMN nerf: we're losing Thunder

[Miotoss]

Then again.. this nerf is not even close to a "Huge nerf"

Are you honestly saying that 10-15% of our dps just disappearing isnt a big nerf?

[Sayori]

Are you honestly saying that 10-15% of our dps just disappearing isnt a big nerf?

Explain how thunder is 10-15% of your total dps.
edit: not to mention you'll replace this with ruin.

[Tannlore]

Explain how thunder is 10-15% of your total dps.
edit: not to mention you'll replace this with ruin.

Total dmg I do on a full rotation of dots (bio, bio2, miasma, miasma 2, shadowflare, thunder) is average 3930 w/o any crits. (yeah, lots of time at the dummies to get this).

Let's round it up to 4000 for easy math. What is 10% of 4000? 400, my thunders are 600 minimum dmg. See the math?

[Sayori]

Total dmg I do on a full rotation of dots (bio, bio2, miasma, miasma 2, shadowflare, thunder) is average 3930 w/o any crits. (yeah, lots of time at the dummies to get this).

Let's round it up to 4000 for easy math. What is 10% of 4000? 400, my thunders are 600 minimum dmg. See the math?

thats what i say, just simply replace it with ruin to fix that little dps lost.
Sure, it won't be the same damage, but it's not the end of the world for smn.

[Miotoss]

good summoners already spam ruin 1 and 2 dont be stupid.

[Tannlore]

thats what i say, just simply replace it with ruin to fix that little dps lost.
Sure, it won't be the same damage, but it's not the end of the world for smn.

It still is a dps loss, stack in the change to bane and contagion, and the loss of a viable crit option for boots.

It isn't one thing, it's all these things together that hurt the job. I already said in an earlier post above yours that we will have to toss in ruin/ruin2 to offset some of the dmg loss from thunder, but it is still a lot. The loss of thunder, given the amount it can do when it crits, is still a loss of at least 10% dmg over ruin 1/2 (considering ruin 1/2 both need to crit to deal the same dmg as thunder)

[Dannyl]

Total dmg I do on a full rotation of dots (bio, bio2, miasma, miasma 2, shadowflare, thunder)

Don't put Miasma II in there unless you're fighting more than one mob. For one you'll have to be close to the mob and, secondly, it's overall potency is worse than ruin. That being said, casting Ruin over and over can become boring so I do add a miasma II sometime myself for the sake or diversity.

[Shamirah]

Don't put Miasma II in there unless you're fighting more than one mob. For one you'll have to be close to the mob and, secondly, it's overall potency is worse than ruin. That being said, casting Ruin over and over can become boring so I do add a miasma II sometime myself for the sake or diversity.

Miasma II with contagion.

[Dannyl]

Miasma II with contagion.

Fair enough, that does get it up to 120 potency.

[Seobit]

Total dmg I do on a full rotation of dots (bio, bio2, miasma, miasma 2, shadowflare, thunder) is average 3930 w/o any crits. (yeah, lots of time at the dummies to get this).

Let's round it up to 4000 for easy math. What is 10% of 4000? 400, my thunders are 600 minimum dmg. See the math?

How can you even say that without including ruin and garuda?

Yeah when I cast thunder, and only thunder, it's 100% of my dps! In 2.1 I will do exactly ZERO (0) DPS!