Turn 2 "easy mode", disables every mechanic in the fight

[Roris]

I remember trying it during the early days just to see what the enrage timer did and it didn't go so well at all. I wouldn't really call it bad design though, most encounters are designed for a certain gear and skill level and obviously don't scale once people start matching the gear level or outgear the content. Just like it's really easy to bypass the gnats in Demon Wall by killing it before they spawn. Did players reach the point where this tactic is feasible too fast? Yes, though 4 months isn't really that short of a period of time and dedicated players who have been at it since release should have plenty of gear and skill by now to do it, because the game makes it easy to get that gear either with Myths or Coil drops.

[BlackPriest]

I did this with two other healers. We were not geared. At all.

My sch is not +1. I do not have full dl. And 0 af2 allagan.

The first whm decently geared. The second whm had a Ifrit stick and full dl.

We had 1 bard. Brd battle voice mages ballad. Only cast directly after each blast. You never run out of mp.

It's not even remotely hard or taxing. It's dumb and the people that couldn't clear t2 are now on t4. Just think about that.

[AthenaC]

Sorry but imma say something.

1. How about people do it the Normal way, Learning the way of the fight, instead of waiting till 1 minute remains?

Does everyone prefer an easy way out, instead of actually trying?

2. That's why they turned turn 5 down, cause everyone choose the easy way out. lol.

Anyways, generally, my point is, that turn 2 is simple enough to do it with Pugs.

All you do is have 1 bard, 1 pld, on silence duty, Have a rotation, for 5 People, then JUST Group in middle, melee goes in, picks it up, stays, till it passes, then goes back, everyone dodges together, Easy way.
THAT IS THE EASY WAY, Not 'Herp derp, Let's wait till 1 minute remains seriously. i Hope this gets fixed.

Then again, i choose harder methods. like Wiping out the Quartine node, and not dealing with, (Rot) but, dealing with HASTE. LOL Muhuaha.

Oh, and btw, Turn 4 HAS A SOFT ENRAGE, Working as Intended.
The turn 2 1 Click, is for people who cant kill him in time, so then they have to deal with the soft ENRAGE + Rot + Gravity well + Bliast Yeah, that's working as intended, but not waiting till 1 click remaining, to go in, lol.


So what i mean is, (Simple)
I Think, Waiting till 1 minute remaining, is not working as intended, as it's not suppose to get rid of all the Attacks of ADS
However, instead, it's suppose to stack, on top of the attacks ADS already does depending on the route.
- In a 2 healer party, if a group couldnt kill ADS B4 the 1 click remaining, the party would WIPE.
But, instead, when people waits, and draws out the fight, to just, avoid all the attacks period. and get 3 healers. that is not Learning a damn thing about the fight.
every fight is about Execution.
And skills.
Yeah turn 5 might be more about gear, instead of skills, but 1-4 is about skills.

Goodluck everyone doing Extreme mode Primals You will not get very far, if u can't even do turn 2 normal, without using a soft-enrage timer mechanic, to win.

[Ruethryl]

I did this with two other healers. We were not geared. At all.

My sch is not +1. I do not have full dl. And 0 af2 allagan.

The first whm decently geared. The second whm had a Ifrit stick and full dl.

We had 1 bard. Brd battle voice mages ballad. Only cast directly after each blast. You never run out of mp.

It's not even remotely hard or taxing. It's dumb and the people that couldn't clear t2 are now on t4. Just think about that.

T4 will eat them up and spit them out... lol

Each turn (except 3) gets progressively more difficult.. if you can't beat the earlier turns as intended you won't beat the later ones.. there is no fudging T4/5.

[ForteXX]

Does everyone prefer an easy way out, instead of actually trying?

Sadly, yes (in almost every case)

[AthenaC]

Sadly, yes (in almost every case)

it's weird, cause My static, and i we beat turn 1-4 Within atleast 35mins, (1 - Total: 15mins) Counting mobs and first boss.
Also, Turn 2 Only takes us 6mins. Then turn 4, 5 mins. so, i dont get it?, i do all of them Normal as well, No easy way out <.< i just learned, the fight, came up with strats, 'THAT Isn't waiting till 1 click, to win', it's called, Working as a team. :P

[wildgalax]

Another cowardly strategy that people are realising. Hope this doesnt become the new trend like limit building on titan (oh man i hated that as a healer).

[Ramzal]

I hate to ask but...how is this any different than when people go to AK and tank the final boss in the upper right corner so he can't use tail swipe/gives people an easy and safe way to kill it? Or the ideas where you sleep enemies before boss room doors so you don't have to deal with them chipping away at you? Or dragging Chimera uphill so Dragon's voice won't hit ranged damage dealers? Or picking of Succubi from the lower floor in AK where they can't hit back?

Most strategies I've seen in this game involve using the terrain design or mechanics against a boss to an end where certain attacks don't effect the party and makes the fight easier. I don't see how this is any different. Kudos to those who have overcome things without having to find a work around, but it seems a little silly to be angry at others for getting through a task with less effort than you did. But... why care?

Are they in your FC? Do you run with them? Do you know them personally? And what harm is others using this tactic truly causing you outside of a diminished sense of pride for completing the task the way you did? Do not take this post as an attack, because it most certainly is not. I personally just think that worrying about the actions of others and focusing on it serves no purpose. And putting them down for not doing things the way you did seems like a waste of time.

If they fail at Turn 4, then they do. It truly has little to no impact on others who have cleared it through harder methods.

[AlmaMalma]

SE will probably boost the rage of ADS to one-shot players, then people will get pissed off so much at not being able to pass t2 that after a month of complaints, Allagan Rot is removed or toned down. Beware the law of unforeseen consequences.

[Defmetal]

Extreme Primals are easier content than Coil ~ They are designed for ilvl 60, 67, 70. Coil is designed for level 80.

The thing about this strategy - is it's not about not having the skill to do it. It's about being able to PUG it without taking 6 hours. PUGs are bad. Terribad.
I clear turn 1 through 5 on my main in an hour and a half on good nights. (Occasionally someone, or myself has a bad internet night)

On my alt though, which has relic+1, full darksteel triple/penta melds, I struggle to clear it because I go with pugs. You can explain the strat 500 times, you can walk people through it, show diagrams, show pictures, videos, explain in depth, let people ask questions, run several practice runs, but at the end of the day your paladin and bard will still forget to silence and your dragoon will stand still with allagan rot.

You are dependent on other players ability to listen, and that's a hindrance in pickup groups. And no I don't want a static for my alt.