Roll Over Minutes for Tomes Please

[Brises]

can you honestly agree that giving someone that has been gone for months, the ability to earn 2k+ tomes in a week, when a normal player that has been here the whole time could only get 300 per is fair?

Ok, one player plays straight for 8 weeks and earns 2400 myth tomes (assuming he is spending it). Another player is absent but still paying for those same 8 weeks. There is still a hard cap of 2000, so he will only be able to make up that much. The rollover concept is simply earning credits, that can only be achieved by doing the runs. Lets say an average WP run of 20 minutes x 80 runs = nearly 27 hrs spent tome grinding. That same 27 hrs would have to be spent either spread out over 8 weeks, or all in one week if a person can do it that way. How is that "not playing"?

[Gardes]

3 weeks should be fine imo. Each week the cap increases by 300 (or the new cap) but for every cap point, the next cap decreases. So like:

-dont play until cap is 0/900 (3 weeks of not toming)
-play and get 320/900
-next week the cap is 0/600
-play and get 550/600
-next week the cap is 0/300

or

-dont play until cap is 0/900
-play and get 700
-next week the cap is 0/300

or
-dont play

Basically allow a player to miss 3 weeks of playing but let him try to catch up if he really wants to. He's still gonna have to grind seriously hard to make up for 'lost time'.

[Hanabira]

Ok, one player plays straight for 8 weeks and earns 2400 myth tomes (assuming he is spending it). Another player is absent but still paying for those same 8 weeks. There is still a hard cap of 2000, so he will only be able to make up that much. The rollover concept is simply earning credits, that can only be achieved by doing the runs. Lets say an average WP run of 20 minutes x 80 runs = nearly 27 hrs spent tome grinding. That same 27 hrs would have to be spent either spread out over 8 weeks, or all in one week if a person can do it that way. How is that "not playing"?

If the money he spent on that month was so important, he would have played the game. With this system, no one has any reason to log in except once every 7 weeks to burn the same dungeon over and over. That is not a good way to retain members. If you show up the day after a week long sale, do you feel entitled to the cheaper prices the people that showed up on time got?

People seem to keep using "we paid the subscription we should get the points" as a reason for this.. i mean really.. if thats why you feel entitled to everything, why dont you just ask SE to sell you myths?

[Artemiz]

You earn your tomes by logging in for the whole 2 hours it takes to get your 300 to hit the cap. if you arent there, then tough. no game should implement a system that encourages not playing. No one would log in if all they had to do was show up the 3rd weekend of every month and grind out WP and get equal gear as people who played the entire time. where did this idea come from that because you cant play, the game should make it easier for you. This idea works nowhere else, if you miss the bus, you wait for the next one. It isnt a matter of paying the same amount, its a matter of who was actually playing the game after they paid it.

Could you explain to me how leves work then please? You can cap them over several weeks and burn them all at once so why is that not a problem? Also, lots of things use roll over type concepts, ever watched catch up TV? ever had a mobile phone contract? ever done a leve?

What are you people going to do when myth gear is outdated and you cant burn wp to get the best stuff anymore? When the game actually requires you to do something of a reasonable difficulty to get the best items?
Myths was the biggest mistake this game has made, how does it make sense at all to earn lv.55, 70 AND lv.90 gear at the same time in the same dungeon??
Its bad enough that you have to do practically nothing to earn the highest level gear in the game, but now you want it to wrap around your schedule? When people heard that allagan weapons were getting put to 95, everyone cried that the HARDEST encounter in the game gave a better weapon than that wuss titan + waiting 3 weeks (or not waiting at all if they already had the points) gave. just ridiculous. why should anyone do anything if you can earn the best stuff by running 10 minute dungeons. I didnt realize this was Final Fantasy: Wanderers Palace.

We get it, you're super good at the game and all that, no seriously, you're amazing and stuff but if you're going to suggest people suck because they suggest something about the game then can you at least be creative? this kind of elistist crap gets boring, ta.

If your subscription fee means that much to you, then you should be playing. like i said before, if you spent half as much time getting myths as you do crying on forums that you dont have time to get myths, youd have your myths.

What are people who work shifts supposed to do? cancel it every week?
And no, before you suggest it I'm not getting another job because it suits myth farming better....

[ReiszRie]

Could you explain to me how leves work then please? You can cap them over several weeks and burn them all at once so why is that not a problem? Also, lots of things use roll over type concepts, ever watched catch up TV? ever had a mobile phone contract? ever done a leve?


We get it, you're super good at the game and all that, no seriously, you're amazing and stuff but if you're going to suggest people suck because they suggest something about the game then can you at least be creative? this kind of elistist crap gets boring, ta.


What are people who work shifts supposed to do? cancel it every week?
And no, before you suggest it I'm not getting another job because it suits myth farming better....

1. Leves awards EXP, not iLvl 90 gear

2. I have to agree that making Myth gear on equal footing as Allagans seems rather strange but I'm pretty certain Allagan gears will be getting a buff in the upcoming patches.

3. Even those who work shifts does have free time; the game cannot possibly take into account the individual circumstances of players and sculpt their game model to fit and benefit them all without bringing dis-benefit to others, the subscription you've paid is for the time allocated, how you choose to utilise said time is entirely to your own discretion, the subscription is not to guarantee that your gear or your character is on equal footing as everyone else.

[Artemiz]

1. Leves awards EXP, not iLvl 90 gear

Personally I still don't see the difference, it's still progression but really it's besides the point, it was a response to the suggestion that nothing works with a roll over concept, leves shoot that argument straight into the ground.

2. I have to agree that making Myth gear on equal footing as Allagans seems rather strange but I'm pretty certain Allagan gears will be getting a buff in the upcoming patches.

Who knows what they're going to do with myth stones in the future but you could well be right, the only thing I'm sure of is that crafted gear won't be the best.

3. Even those who work shifts does have free time; the game cannot possibly take into account the individual circumstances of players and sculpt their game model to fit and benefit them all without bringing dis-benefit to others, the subscription you've paid is for the time allocated, how you choose to utilise said time is entirely to your own discretion, the subscription is not to guarantee that your gear or your character is on equal footing as everyone else.

I may not agree with this but I do respect your opinion and thanks for giving it like an adult.

[Brises]

If the money he spent on that month was so important, he would have played the game.

The point of the OP was being called away for military duty for 2 months at a time. That's hardly something that you can decide to "just play" instead.

Ok so, you know you are going to miss 2 months, so just let your sub expire, and renew later, right? Well, SE made this game so they can make money. Whatever anyone wants to say about the credibility and integrity of MMOs and yadda yadda, they developed the game in a way to appeal to customers so they will spend money. Now I'm sure SE would prefer that people maintain their subs, even if they have to take time off. Right now there is no reason for anyone to do that. So it wouldn't surprise me if SE came up with some sort of incentive for people to continue paying.

[Artemiz]

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Exactly, it's a good idea no matter what the product is for it to be flexible to it's customers needs. Modern life and all that.

[Hanabira]

The point of the OP was being called away for military duty for 2 months at a time. That's hardly something that you can decide to "just play" instead.

Ok so, you know you are going to miss 2 months, so just let your sub expire, and renew later, right? Well, SE made this game so they can make money. Whatever anyone wants to say about the credibility and integrity of MMOs and yadda yadda, they developed the game in a way to appeal to customers so they will spend money. Now I'm sure SE would prefer that people maintain their subs, even if they have to take time off. Right now there is no reason for anyone to do that..

When they get back from active duty, should SE also put the week long game event back on because they weren't there? If people would honestly quit a game because there points didn't keep ticking when they werent playing, then they have issues deeper than this game. I dont know of any other games that have this sort of system in place to help people who arent playing the game earn the strongest gear in the game, so why is it all of a sudden a deal breaker for this theoretical butthurt "mad at the world didnt halt at his feet" soldier?

[Artemiz]

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It's not about someone rage quiting, the argument is that the person in question has no reason to sub for 2 months if they can't play, so should unsub and SE lose revenue. If there was an incentive, like discussed in this thread the player may just keep his sub active and SE gets their money. It makes better buisiness sense to at least have an incentive for players to do that.