BARD 2.1 change [requesting letter from the producer explanation]

[meJojo]

brd is suppose to be a support job not a dps job

Yeah no. Until they split up Archer into Bard and Hunter/Ranger Bard should stay in their DPS role.

[ReplicaX]

if BRD is so DPS role.. why is its LB a support LB?..

brd in 2.0 is wack

It's called a Recovery/Healing LB, why Bard has it. My only guess is balance.

Attack LB: Assigned to 4 Jobs.
Defense LB: Assigned to 2 Jobs.
Recovery/Healing LB: Assigned to 3 Jobs.

BRD has no native healing ability and its only Cross-Class is Second Wind a self-heal ability from PUG. Makes sense based on the job? Nope. This is the only logic I have behind the decision they made.

[CrowBlader]

they should just make brd into a support class again then maybe I'd like it again :/

[Kletian]

Except for the fact that it would gimp us far below the nerfs they already have planned for our class? snip.

Haha Woah there! A little bit more hostility I was expecting from an honest question. I will respond to your heated arguments now.


1. If I no longer had invigorate as a dragoon? Then I'd run out of TP after being dead or after AOE spam. Otherwise I never use it. The stages where melee needs to stop dps to run from bosses gives me plenty of time to TP regen.
2. I posited that doing 80% of your DPS with TP regen song up is better than doing 20% of your dps through autoattacks waiting for TP regen. Though if bards ever needed to stop shooting to dodge a mechanic, like dragoons you probably wouldnt need TP regen.
3. I never suggested that "bards don't know when to use their songs". I merely noted that the other songs seem to get a lot more usage than TP regen specially when nearly every class has invigorate available to them.
4. Bards are (by numbers) the lowest "single target dps" because of their movement dps, being less physically squishy than mages yet with comparable AOE damage, offering silence, and songs. People take bards to coil because of silence, songs, and Aoe; it's when they stop taking monks and dragoons to coil for single target damage that things really get out of hand.

[Max_Damade]

I LOVE playing range DPS.
I played FFXI for five years and quit after the ranger nerf.
I don't really want to be support, but I'll play a song when needed.
BRD is as close as I can get to range DPS in FFXIV.

SE needs to learn that nobody ever wants something taken away after they have spent time earning it. These "equalizing" adjustments must be made by boosting abilities of other classes or even boosting mob defense vs range attacks, but never by taking something away.

[Meimei]

All I know is the kids who vehemently ranted about why they thought BRD should be nerfed are sad, sad little men.

Players shouldn't be the ones asking for nerfs, that's just low class and confirms you're a bad. Some of us crave decent class balance and it's supposed to be the inept developers who are the enemy with their senseless nerfs that make no sense.

I've always rolled with the punches, and so should you. However, I've also seen many an overbearing nerf in my day...it really is unfortunate when a class becomes useless and has no purpose ingame. Like FFXI THF.

Hence why people who openly ask for nerfs deserve no respect.

[NyssaElf]

All I know is the kids who vehemently ranted about why they thought BRD should be nerfed are sad, sad little men.

Players shouldn't be the ones asking for nerfs, that's just low class and confirms you're a bad. Some of us crave decent class balance and it's supposed to be the inept developers who are the enemy with their senseless nerfs that make no sense.

I've always rolled with the punches, and so should you. However, I've also seen many an overbearing nerf in my day...it really is unfortunate when a class becomes useless and has no purpose ingame. Like FFXI THF.

Hence why people who openly ask for nerfs deserve no respect.

Just like to say "this" so much. There are not enough likes I can give. Cause all this will equal is to many brds. Brds get nerfed, too many of "insert class here" people bitch, that class gets nerfed. Nerfing is never the answer

[Pellegri]

so as a test i got through the whole game with a bard that doesn't use invig.......my FC says im one of the best dps we have and coil runs usually go smoothly and i don't use invig, what does that say about the ability?
you have no faith in the bard.

Thanks for telling everyone you have no input on the subject, because hey guess what? I didn't have invig till turn 2 either where I started seeing that on longer fights I could not keep my tp up without it or having to gimp myself with an almost minute long song. I wasn't talking about easy progress that people had done months ago, I was talking about fights that last 6-13mins, ones that require aoe use or even going full throttle and not having the time to sit there being gimped while there's mechanics going on that require high burst or sustained.

im not and endgame rusher i dont run ahead just for the sake of loot

Could this excuse stop being used, I mean really? This game has been out for almost 4 months at this point, how is it rushing endgame when the only pve content(outside of leveling a new class) at max level is either primals/ak/wp/or coil? One of those is for little more than relic while the other 2 are for capping myth/gearing up in dl. Guess that just leaves coil then which my group have been working on for almost 3 months now, even if we took it easy for a few extra weeks we'd still be stuck with nothing but coil. I'm sorry it took you and other members in your fc 4 months to complete part of the game many have had done for months, but not everyone is like you or feels like going at a snails pace when they want to continue on with their story.

[Yoohre_WildRiver]

It's called a Recovery/Healing LB, why Bard has it. My only guess is balance.

Attack LB: Assigned to 4 Jobs.
Defense LB: Assigned to 2 Jobs.
Recovery/Healing LB: Assigned to 3 Jobs.

BRD has no native healing ability and its only Cross-Class is Second Wind a self-heal ability from PUG. Makes sense based on the job? Nope. This is the only logic I have behind the decision they made.

this LB makes sense for BRD if BRD stayed as it was in 1.0 where it was a support class that had buff per party member and not area around brd ,it could heal raise and do decent DPS.

[Billzey]

Haha Woah there! A little bit more hostility I was expecting from an honest question. I will respond to your heated arguments now.


1. If I no longer had invigorate as a dragoon? Then I'd run out of TP after being dead or after AOE spam. Otherwise I never use it. The stages where melee needs to stop dps to run from bosses gives me plenty of time to TP regen.
2. I posited that doing 80% of your DPS with TP regen song up is better than doing 20% of your dps through autoattacks waiting for TP regen. Though if bards ever needed to stop shooting to dodge a mechanic, like dragoons you probably wouldnt need TP regen.
3. I never suggested that "bards don't know when to use their songs". I merely noted that the other songs seem to get a lot more usage than TP regen specially when nearly every class has invigorate available to them.
4. Bards are (by numbers) the lowest "single target dps" because of their movement dps, being less physically squishy than mages yet with comparable AOE damage, offering silence, and songs. People take bards to coil because of silence, songs, and Aoe; it's when they stop taking monks and dragoons to coil for single target damage that things really get out of hand.

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about if you really think BRD has the lowest single target DPS, or you have played with some incredibly horrible BRDs. I've never seen a MNK/DRG even come remotely close to the DPS a BRD can put out in turn 1,2, and 4. To even suggest DRG has higher single target DPS than BRD is laughable.