Is asking a tank to use his enmity+ buff rude?

[Megido]

I find it's usually best not to give advice unless it's asked for.

Oh please. He is the noob for either forgetting or getting angry at a valid question made by an observant player. If you remember that it doesnt really matter how angry he gets, a normal person would calmly explain why he isnt using it or apologize for forgetting. Worst case scenario there's a legit reason and you learn something.

[Megido]

If your Tank is losing threat its not because of his buff, The only reason that buff has increased enmity is to make up for the loss of threat from reduction in dmg output. I have tested it with FC paladin tank over and over again. Sword oath or no oath generates far more Enmity than with Shield oath up because of the extra dmg you do. Doesn't make sense that it should but it does. Its just a dmg mitigation buff is all. It does however increase enmity to Flash where as not having the above oaths on would not generate any extra threat to flash, but would not take away any threat from it either. In short, if he has agro issues it's on his skill mainly and not buffs.

Where is it ever worth it though? I've tried it in lower level dungeons but you still lack a lot of damage from all that vit and parry, not to mention being levelled down. Never found it to make a real difference, rather keep pulling non stop because healer isnt oom'ing.

[Dale]

Oh please. He is the noob for either forgetting or getting angry at a valid question made by an observant player. If you remember that it doesnt really matter how angry he gets, a normal person would calmly explain why he isnt using it or apologize for forgetting. Worst case scenario there's a legit reason and you learn something.

Megido, as my post implied - advice is best received when it's asked for.

You aren't going to teach anyone anything by getting them angry or calling them a noob. In fact, they will probably do the very opposite of what you say just out of spite. So it's counter productive.

[Devaking55]

Megido, as my post implied - advice is best received when it's asked for.

You aren't going to teach anyone anything by getting them angry or calling them a noob. In fact, they will probably do the very opposite of what you say just out of spite. So it's counter productive.

if you are doing something quite clearly wrong im going to point it out to you. could care less if you think its productive or not.

to many times ive run into tanks spamming rage of halone and losing aggro. too many times i find warriors not using overpower properly and pulling with provoke without a tomahawk....

or the really derpy fools using tomahawk then provoke. i explain to them that using provoke that way is absolutely pointless and they throw a tantrum

[Dale]

if you are doing something quite clearly wrong im going to point it out to you. could care less if you think its productive or not.

to many times ive run into tanks spamming rage of halone and losing aggro. too many times i find warriors not using overpower properly and pulling with provoke without a tomahawk....

or the really derpy fools using tomahawk then provoke. i explain to them that using provoke that way is absolutely pointless and they throw a tantrum

You should care if it's productive or not though.

Annoying other players by telling them the way you think they should be playing when they aren't interested in your opinion is just going to make the group fall apart.

Now advising someone who is seeking help on how to play their class better is a whole different ball game.

[Peptaru]

Annoying other players by telling them the way you think they should be playing when they aren't interested in your opinion is just going to make the group fall apart.

People who are playing poorly, and directly affecting your gameplay with their poor play, should be told what they're doing wrong. I am not advocating forcing your rotation down someone's throat, or forcing them to play only X way, or forcing them to speedrun through DF --because they're doin it wrong!-- but if they are failing miserably at the basics of their job and screwing up a group. . . I won't just sit there and let them suck out loud. People will call even real help non-productive because they don't like being called out.

There is a "be sensitive to everyone's feelings" sentiment going around in this game that is making TERRIBLE endgame players. (Yes, FC, get friends, don't play with randoms, etc.) I will correct people, and if they ragequit in their embarrassment or due to entitlement, so be it; maybe the next dungeon they get into, they'll play better. The advantage to correcting people you know is that they're up for a discussion, most people you don't know will just get offended and quit; moreso when you are right and they are wrong.

[Viridiana]

You should care if it's productive or not though.

Annoying other players by telling them the way you think they should be playing when they aren't interested in your opinion is just going to make the group fall apart.

Now advising someone who is seeking help on how to play their class better is a whole different ball game.

If I'm correcting somebody, it's because whatever they're doing is already counter-productive because it's fundamentally wrong. We're talking stuff like PLDs thinking they only ever need to use RoH, or thinking that Shield Lob goes between SB and RoH. . .Stuff where, without popping CDs, I can easily hold better aggro than them on any given mob. At that point, even if they ignore my advice, it changes nothing, because I'm probably BRD-tanking either way. . .

[Dale]

There is a "be sensitive to everyone's feelings" sentiment going around in this game that is making TERRIBLE endgame players. (Yes, FC, get friends, don't play with randoms, etc.) I will correct people, and if they ragequit in their embarrassment or due to entitlement, so be it; maybe the next dungeon they get into, they'll play better. The advantage to correcting people you know is that they're up for a discussion, most people you don't know will just get offended and quit; moreso when you are right and they are wrong.

It's not about being "sensitive".

You can't "make" people play the way you think they should. So it's pointless to try. All it does it upset the group and usually ends with it disbanding.

I am very tired of waiting over an hour in a duty finder only to have my group fall apart because so and so didn't like the way so and so was playing. So at least consider that.

[Dale]

If I'm correcting somebody, it's because whatever they're doing is already counter-productive because it's fundamentally wrong..

That might be. But trying to convince someone who doesn't want to be convinced is just going to make things worse.

When using the duty finder, you need to be prepared for this and accept that you are not always going to be playing with people who you agree with.

[Peptaru]

Like trying to convince Dale he is mistaken in this instance.