PLD Cross Class Skills

[Duelle]

Fracture is less damage than Riot Blade, and no one uses Riot Blade for damage unless they're OTing and worried about aggro.

Again, if you're off a target Fracture can then be used while you're trying to catch up/run back/whatever. Hence why I mentioned Demon Wall's Repel. I usually get Circle of Scorn as well Fracture on it a second or two before Repel finishes casting.

[megaman]

Fracture can also be useful when paired with Convalesence, Fight or Flight, Bloodbath, and Circle of Scorn for a little regen on yourself to help out the healer. I've been lazy in leveling my marauder so I don't have mercy stroke yet so I use fracture, bloodbath, foresight, raise and stone skin.

[Viridiana]

Again, if you're off a target Fracture can then be used while you're trying to catch up/run back/whatever. Hence why I mentioned Demon Wall's Repel. I usually get Circle of Scorn as well Fracture on it a second or two before Repel finishes casting.

It doesn't work that way, though. Your GCD is worth either 220 potency (Fracture) or 230 potency (Riot Blade). Riot Blade would do more damage before you get knocked back than Fracture will do over the next 18 seconds. And that's sad, because Riot Blade isn't even part of PLD's actual DPS rotation.

Edit: After looking at it a different way, it seems that Fracture is more potency than the average of the RoH combo, unless I'm still screwing up my math somewhere. So I guess for dps considerations, it would actually be worth it. Nevermind my previous post (and the first half of this one). I will, say, though, that appealing to mechanics like repel shouldn't be done when discussing using DOT abilities over normal abilities. A DOT is either a dps increase or it isn't, regardless of uptime on the boss.

[Duelle]

I will, say, though, that appealing to mechanics like repel shouldn't be done when discussing using DOT abilities over normal abilities. A DOT is either a dps increase or it isn't, regardless of uptime on the boss.

It's simply an example. I could have said "anything that telegraphs a knockback that can't be stunned would be the prime target for Fracture".

That aside, I never said anything about prioritizing it over your other abilities. I certainly wouldn't. It, like most of our cross-class skills, is dependent on context.

[Viridiana]

It's simply an example. I could have said "anything that telegraphs a knockback that can't be stunned would be the prime target for Fracture".

And I'd still say it's flawed logic, at the risk of irrevocably derailing the thread.

The reason you use one ability over another (barring utility) is because one does more damage than another. Whether it's a DOT or not is immaterial, assuming it lasts the full duration. Think of it this way, if Fracture only did 100 total potency over its duration, you wouldn't even use it for knockbacks.

[Yunnie]

i thought riot blade potency is 100? (reason i don't include combo potency, is because I wouldn't ever do a fracture after a fast blade).

anyway- i use fracture too, but only when I do a fight or flight + Blood bath + Circle of Scorn, and have no combo open. If there was anything better, I would replace fracture first, but in all honesty, there aren't many good choices. Heck, I use mercy stroke... because well... there isn't much to choose from...

[Viridiana]

i thought riot blade potency is 100? (reason i don't include combo potency, is because I wouldn't ever do a fracture after a fast blade).

I did say to disregard those posts, didn't I?

[Maelwys]

Again, if you're off a target Fracture can then be used while you're trying to catch up/run back/whatever. Hence why I mentioned Demon Wall's Repel. I usually get Circle of Scorn as well Fracture on it a second or two before Repel finishes casting.

Use Stoneskin instead.
Then you don't get repelled.

[Viridiana]

Use Stoneskin instead.
Then you don't get repelled.

Or Tempered Will, which has the advantage of being off CD.

[Maelwys]

Or Tempered Will, which has the advantage of being off CD.

Yup. And Uninterruptable. But with a LONG cooldown.

For PUG runs I tend to Stoneskin for the first two repels (no bees) and then drag the bees to the Top Left and hold them there (Eating their AoEs and rotating cooldowns, can still dodge tarpits) whilst everyone else focuses the wall. That means I keep Tempered Will available for the third repel, whenever I'm more likely to get stunned whilst trying to cast Stoneskin (and keeping the bees away from the center during Repel greatly reduces chaos!)

For the 4th Repel (which occasionally happens with derpy groups) you can "Hallowed Ground".