SE you need to change Crystal Tower ivl55 requirement to ilvl70.

[Noahlimits]

I think i60 would be a bit more fair since it's the average item level. But whatever, I'll wait to see how it actually is before complaining.

[Arkista]

Maybe we should wait to see what the content is like before we start complaining about the ilvl requirement. You are all arguing a case without having any facts or experience one way or another. I am not saying you are wrong or right, but it doesn't make sense to try and make a good argument when you don't have all the pertinent information yet.

For one it's not going to happen. For two the whole point to the thread is about the Crystal Tower Loot Lockout. I could care less if the ilvl requirement was 1 or 90. What I do care about is the fact that SE is putting a weekly lockout on gear that isn't even BIS and Yoshi P said

"While the equipment you can purchase with Allagan tomestones of mythology and the equipment you obtain from the Binding Coil of Bahamut are comparatively stronger, we'll be implementing the vanity system in patch 2.2 which will allow you to change the appearance of your character's equipment, so we hope you use it for the equipment you find in Crystal Tower".

"You'll be able to collect the equipment to use in conjunction with the upcoming vanity system and also gear up your secondary classes and jobs".

So he hope that those of us who are pass the ilvl80 stage will us CT to get gear for vanity or to gear up secondary classes/jobs....

How are we suppose to do that with weekly lockouts get it?

The only reason we have lockouts is so the current content we have doesn't become obsolete and that way people cant burn through content before new stuff is released. We know this that's fine but a ONE WEEK LOCKOUT! on gear that isn't even BIS is absolutely ridiculous!

When I 1st heard of the lockout I was thinking 24hr but a WEEK! It should be 72hrs at the most. Now if we had plenty of content that was enjoyable then adding in lockout after lockout would be fine but we don't have it.

I see the biggest reason for the lockout is to prevent stuff from becoming obsolete. Lets take Pharos new dungeon the gear is suppose to be ilvl60, Crystal Tower is ilvl55 requirement so having such a low ilvl would bypass all new content they added if there were no lockouts one could simply get WP gear and go from ilvl55 to ilvl80 in a week if they spammed CT and had good luck.

Why did they add in a new dungeon when the game already has AK for ilvl60 gear? Why couldn't the gear be ilvl75?

I may eat my words later down the road but going by 2.1, SE is going down the wrong path again with FFXIV and there isn't going to be FFXIV A Realm Reborn Again...

They may get it together but its not going to happen until 2.2 or later


Its been like 2 days now and not one Rep has come out and said anything regarding the lockout and we have 11days until 2.1.

You know I just thought about another thing.

Crystal Tower is useable in duty finder and we are allowed to make an 8 man party server side. With the week lockout on loot who is going to want to run it as a static?

It makes running CT as a static nearly impossible (unless 8 people have nothing else better to do). Its not like CoB when you finish if you don't get gear better luck next week. And everyone meets up again.

Crystal Tower isn't going to be static friendly. Once people start getting gear and they cap out on (myth) there isn't an incentive to keep going. Yah they may want to help their other friends get a piece of gear, But are people really going to run Crystal tower over and over and over all week long to get their last member a piece of gear? what if it takes 15-20 runs to get a piece of gear to drop that the last few people need?

And I though Crystal Tower was suppose to be content for FCs to do... Can't make 24 man alliance until after 2.2, Have to run Crystal Tower countless times without any rewards after your piece for the week.


If this isn't a valid argument on why Crystal Tower shouldn't have a lockout then I don't know what is...................

[BlueMage]

CT will make the post 50 gearing curve and experience smoother for new or ultra casual players.

The issue seems to be that the majority of the game's population, even very casual players, are sporting full DL (i70) with multiple AF2 (i90) pieces by now.

It would have been better if they had prioritized development so that CT was in at launch and Coil was delayed instead, but hindsight is 20/20.

[Zfz]

The issue seems to be that the majority of the game's population, even very casual players, are sporting full DL (i70) with multiple AF2 (i90) pieces by now.

That is a dangerous assumption. There are quite a lot of people in our FC (400 members) who have just dinged 50 this past week or who are still not even 50 yet. There are also many who have just 2~3 pieces of DF and still working on their Relic.

Back on topic, requiring iLv70 is hard to justify. Crystal Tower is for casual play, and an artifical roadblock that requires a time-consuming grind is anything but casual.

[Gilraen]

CT will make the post 50 gearing curve and experience smoother for new or ultra casual players.

The issue seems to be that the majority of the game's population, even very casual players, are sporting full DL (i70) with multiple AF2 (i90) pieces by now.

It would have been better if they had prioritized development so that CT was in at launch and Coil was delayed instead, but hindsight is 20/20.

I don't know, I'm a casual that's been with the game since, what, May of last year? I don't have even one piece of AF+1, must less a full set (they only showed a picture of Dragoon's AF2 in a recent live letter so...) nor do I have full Darklight on any of my jobs (back to Dragoon, going full Darklight is folly, you don't get enough accuracy unless you also have the relic... maybe). Not sure how I'd have a full set of either given I don't run the endgame dungeons several times every day.

[Dyvid]

I think people are confused on how end game progression is suppose to play out in 2.1.

(WP, AK, PS, HM, CM) -> Crystal Tower -> Bahamut Coil
\________ Ifrit -> Garuda -> Mog -> Titan -> Ultima -> EX Ifrit, EX Garuda, EX Titan

As far as lockouts are concerned? I'll be honest, it's so players don't burn through content and complain they are bored a month after.

[BlueMage]

I don't know, I'm a casual that's been with the game since, what, May of last year? I don't have even one piece of AF+1, must less a full set (they only showed a picture of Dragoon's AF2 in a recent live letter so...) nor do I have full Darklight on any of my jobs (back to Dragoon, going full Darklight is folly, you don't get enough accuracy unless you also have the relic... maybe). Not sure how I'd have a full set of either given I don't run the endgame dungeons several times every day.

Well, that's why I said "most", not "every single person", and why I specifically pointed out that CT is aimed at the ultra casual players (the type of people who run maybe one WP a week and dont cap myth, if they even play that much at all) or new players. Of course there are people who dont have that stuff, and thats who I said CT is aimed at. However, take a look around any city. Do you see a lot of Darklight, or is Darklight uncommon?

That is a dangerous assumption. There are quite a lot of people in our FC (400 members) who have just dinged 50 this past week or who are still not even 50 yet. There are also many who have just 2~3 pieces of DF and still working on their Relic.

Oh totally, its super DANGEROUS to assume that MOST people who aren't casual to the point of not even logging in once a week or new have Darklight by now. Obviously "most" people in-game are sub-50, because a couple people in your 400-person FC are sub-50. Disregard the part of my post where I mentioned CT is obviously for the ultra casual rainy day players too.

[SchalaZeal]

Obviously "most" people in-game are sub-50, because a couple people in your 400-person FC are sub-50. Disregard the part of my post where I mentioned CT is obviously for the ultra casual rainy day players too.

Most people ingame really are sub-50. Because the retention rate is not 100%. FFXI had new players all the time, why would ARR never get any after August?

[Yashnaheen]

Doesn't the lvl 55 gear have the same stats as AF? I could see a mix of 60/70 going through content where you get 80 drops... 55 is an odd choice considering the rewards.

[Arkista]

Doesn't the lvl 55 gear have the same stats as AF? I could see a mix of 60/70 going through content where you get 80 drops... 55 is an odd choice considering the rewards.

The reason its ilvl55 is because SE decided to add New Content with low ilvl rewards -Pharos Sirius ilvl60. So that's why we will never see a raise in ilvl for crystal tower before 2.3 when the next set comes out.