I'd love this game, but it's not for me due to the "issue" with AOEs

[Tenku]

It does get quite annoying.

Level 50 Whm with full health and a stone skin.
Garga-one-shot-I-Win in North Than, single hit and I am dead, insta porting back to Uldah. I was the last of about 50 people who had it happen. He rest when I died.

If I did that with AI, they would ban me for cheating.

Like most Chimera bosses in this game, they do Dragon Voice or Ram Voice. For Dragon Voice, either stay extremely far away or extremely close. For Ram Voice, stay extremely far away. There is no red circle indicators on the ground. He also does a frontal swipe that also has no red indicators that can 1 shot non-tanks. I'm pretty sure if you paid attention to what the boss is casting and knew what each of his skills/spells did, you'd be able to avoid getting 1 shotted.

[Ksenia]

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I'm sure you are trying to be helpful but the fact is, it's a cheat when 50 people get wiped because the mob spams one shot wonders. It's also pretty pointless. Can he be beat? I'm sure he can. Have a squad of Whm stand outside the FATE and raise people. Seems cheesy though when you need to sneak a win in.

Too many of the main boss fights rely on blap.

[Tenku]

I'm sure you are trying to be helpful...

I dodge all of his attacks as a Dragoon because I know what his skills are going to do. Most of the time, I'm lucky and people don't use stuns and doesn't put it on diminishing returns so I can stun the Dragon Voices or Ram Voices. As a Bard, since silence does not have Diminishing returns, I can silence every single one of his voices because they tend to not happen twice within 30 seconds. As a Monk, I can permanently silence him so that he doesn't use any Voices at all. I mean.... if you can't stay away from his front or your teammates can't use silence or stuns... you guys will have a very hard time in Coil.

[EmSix]

I'm sure you are trying to be helpful but the fact is, it's a cheat when 50 people get wiped because the mob spams one shot wonders. It's also pretty pointless. Can he be beat? I'm sure he can. Have a squad of Whm stand outside the FATE and raise people. Seems cheesy though when you need to sneak a win in.

Too many of the main boss fights rely on blap.

OR use the correct tactics to defeat the encounter. If you're dying, you're clearly doing something wrong. As Tenku posted above, learn to Silence.

[Alhanelem]

As I said, have fun. I'll try to have mine in games even "old and slow" people can play with success... i.e. practically every other MMO.

Practically every other MMO is just as hard as this one and most of them made in the last few years have dodge mechanics where if you can't do it in XIV, you probably can't do it in any other game. If you actually liked the game, you wouldn't be making this thread.

As it is, the trigger for this thread seems to me a few jerk players you met in a dungeon one time. If something like that can drive you to quit a game, then I can't imagine many other online games you'd last very long in. Sometimes people are just jerks. They will only ruin your experience if you let them. You say you've never been a liability in any other game. So that means you were a perfect player in every game you hever played and never made a mistake that compromised the success of whatever you were doing? If that's the case, then I only wish I was you- but maybe this experience should serve to remind you that you aren't perfect and you can make mistakes. You went 47 levels in PUG/MNK before being a liability one time if your story is to be believed. That's a pretty good record, so why are you so upset about it?

And again... The response issue is being given some attention in this upcoming patch. So before stamping your foot and running out the door, why not check it out before writing it off?

(that was quite a ramble on my part lol... perhaps I spent too much time thinking on that whilst writing at the same time)

[Ksenia]

OR use the correct tactics to defeat the encounter. If you're dying, you're clearly doing something wrong. As Tenku posted above, learn to Silence.

I know the tactics. It's called run in a circle pulling adds for the duration of the fight and if you are a stand still caster class, you either die or never apply heals or dps.
Oh and none of this has anything to do with the over use of AoE I-Win attacks from not a few mobs? But EVERY MOB IN THE GAME.

[Tenku]

I know the tactics. It's called run in a circle pulling adds for the duration of the fight and if you are a stand still caster class, you either die or never apply heals or dps.
Oh and none of this has anything to do with the over use of AoE I-Win attacks from not a few mobs? But EVERY MOB IN THE GAME.

Those encounters are meant for a large group of people to work together. You have 7 other people in your party. Simply telling an off tank or even a dps "can you guys get these adds off me please so I can heal?" would suffice. You're basically having issues because you don't communicate with your team and you are trying to solo an encounter that requires a team.

[Raydeus]

Practically every other MMO is just as hard as this one and most of them made in the last few years have dodge mechanics where if you can't do it in XIV, you probably can't do it in any other game. If you actually liked the game, you wouldn't be making this thread.

As it is, the trigger for this thread seems to me a few jerk players you met in a dungeon one time. If something like that can drive you to quit a game, then I can't imagine many other online games you'd last very long in. Sometimes people are just jerks. They will only ruin your experience if you let them. You say you've never been a liability in any other game. So that means you were a perfect player in every game you hever played and never made a mistake that compromised the success of whatever you were doing? If that's the case, then I only wish I was you- but maybe this experience should serve to remind you that you aren't perfect and you can make mistakes. You went 47 levels in PUG/MNK before being a liability one time if your story is to be believed. That's a pretty good record, so why are you so upset about it?

And again... The response issue is being given some attention in this upcoming patch. So before stamping your foot and running out the door, why not check it out before writing it off?

(that was quite a ramble on my part lol... perhaps I spent too much time thinking on that whilst writing at the same time)

I call BS on all of this. XIV is by far the most unresponsive game I've played in all my years playing MMOs. And this is counting games from China, Korea and Japan (and a few F2P) with pings well above the 300ms mark.

You may want to make it sound like only bad players can't avoid AoEs in this game or that they must be really touchy to not enjoy playing in such unresponsive conditions, but that is precisely what should not be required in a game like this. Also BS is the implication that not being able to play this game due to this issue means you can't play any other game, specially considering even the worst F2P game I've played is more responsive than XIV.

As for waiting to see if this issue is resolved in the update one can do that perfectly well without having to give SE more money while they work on it. Once the patch is out and people report it's been fixed players who quit for this reason can resub if they feel confident enough it's been resolved, instead of paying to be frustrated while they fix it, if they actually manage to do it.

As for me I'm just refraining from tanking in a group while this issue is fixed, and leveling my GLA through FATEs. If SE fixes the issue then I'll start doing higher level dungeons to practice my tanking, otherwise I'm going DD next. Specifically lolWyvernlessDRG. d(^^d)

[Ksenia]

Those encounters are meant for a large group of people to work together. You have 7 other people in your party. Simply telling an off tank or even a dps "can you guys get these adds off me please so I can heal?" would suffice. You're basically having issues because you don't communicate with your team and you are trying to solo an encounter that requires a team.

LMAO. Lets add typing to the to do list here.
So now I am running out of a Boss I-Win attack, dodging adds, healing party, communicating aggro to dps.

Got anything else you might want me to do while I'm at it? I should be getting paid to do this stuff. I could blind fold a special Ops in Nigeria with this kind of mutli tasking skills.

[Alhanelem]

I call BS on all of this. XIV is by far the most unresponsive game I've played in all my years playing MMOs. And this is counting games from China, Korea and Japan (and a few F2P) with pings well above the 300ms mark.

I call BS on your BS. At a bare minimum, FFXI is definitely less responsive. If you don't think so, then you haven't played it. Also it's pretty much impossible for a game you're getting 300ms+ pings on to be more responsive. ~100 ping + 300ms response = 400ms...I've never experienced a half second difference when trying to escape from an AoE. Now, this isn't to say that *certain people / certain ISP*s are having difficulties, and there is a genuine issue there, but I'm not experiencing it. It doesn't affect everyone and there's only so much SE can do about it. Many of the korean games I've played have crap response times but you don't notice at much simply because the client is given much more liberty to say things like "ok I hit the monster" etc and the server doesn't have as strong of a role. However, these games require rootkit-like anti-hack programs like Hackshield to reduce cheating because the client has all the power. In a game like FFXIV where the server dictates more things, you are more limited in what you can do with clientside hacks (and what things are accessible by the client have been exploited to hack and cheat, so that should tell you how easy it is to manipulate information that the server gives the client free access to).

You may want to make it sound like only bad players can't avoid AoEs in this game

No, I know some people are experiencing issues they have little capacity to control, but most people I know aren't having these issues (the people not having these issues are not complaining and thus you won't see them posting here). The fact that VPNs can mostly erase this issue shows that its not really a response time issue that the people having problems are experiencing.

As for waiting to see if this issue is resolved in the update one can do that perfectly well without having to give SE more money while they work on it.

The OP said his sub was ending in a few weeks. He doesn't have to give SE more money before finding out if the patch addresses his complaints.

All I'm seeing here is somebody having one bad experience in a party (He never cited any other examples of him dying lots / playing bad / etc and getting raged at for it, which is really more of a community problem than a game problem) and having a knee-jerk reaction to it.