Bonus reward for tanking

[Randumo24]

Problem isn't being hard or not... it's the problem of not having enough tanks for the amount of DPS/Healers... it's an incentive for having more people playing tank roles OR having the existent tanks to use DF more often.

I was proven wrong when I said it wasn't hard. I played with a terrible tank in Sastasha today. He kept complaining that I was a bad healer & drawing too much aggro. I was never up front or attacking. He was just really bad at drawing the aggro, which is pretty much the only thing you actually need a tank to do. It's pretty hard for me to heal a team when I have to run around for my life at the same time.

It's a pretty simple formula. Tank draws as much aggro as possible, healer heals tank, DPS do the damage unhindered.

[Lunavi]

Ok, let me see if I get this right, you think you deserve 50kx4 times per day? You think you deserve 200k gil per day just because you are a tank? You think you deserve 1.4kk per week just for playing through faceroll content with "lesser classes".

Honestly though. 750 gil is not much at all when you are 50.. But giving to big reward sure would damage the economy and your egos would grew even bigger than they are now.

[Grailer]

Tanking is so boring

speed run WP and tell me tanking is boring lol .

Any bonus is better than nothing ,at least they are on the right track .

[Amyas]

That's not going to make players flock to tank dungeons.

Exactly. And its only once per day, so I guess I'll stick to pugs or friends then. Oh well :T It should be at least idk... 5k (if its gonna be once a day)? That sounds reasonable. As a person that doesn't want to craft, I want to at least be able to cover teleports and repair, not have to choose one or the other.

Maybe other roles gets some gil too

Yeah I'm sure there is a smaller reward in gil for other roles using the duty roulette, but 250 (or 50%, w/e) more is a bit of an insult to an 'in demand' class.

What they SHOULD do (as an economist) is give people the option to put their own gil (OT TOMES!!!) in as a reward to the in-demand class. You are a BLM, you need Praetorium, you put up 40k of gil, the tank sees in dungeon roulette there is a potential reward of 100k for doing a dungeon (your 40k plus 60k more from the other 5-6 people willing to pay for the run), and the tank goes, "Oh nice, let's rock this!". That would provide incentive for the tank to queue, for the tank to do well to finish the dungeon (he only gets a % based on how far the group gets), and it would avoid inflation because gil wouldn't be being pumped in, just exchanged.

Of course there would be the issue of cross-server gil exchanges and legacy players willing to spend 600k on something a normal player would only want to spend 10k on, but randomization and supply/demand equalizing should eventually smooth out.

This sounds interesting, but I bet it would devolve quickly to people shouting on their own server 'lfm tank 20k!' 'screw that pt 25k here!' 'No 30 lol!' -tank

[Ehayte]

Ok, let me see if I get this right, you think you deserve 50kx4 times per day? You think you deserve 200k gil per day just because you are a tank? You think you deserve 1.4kk per week just for playing through faceroll content with "lesser classes".

Not sure if this was directly at me or not but....

No, I don't think I deserve any of that, personally. But I also have a separate char that is a BLM, and I would pay someone else to play tank for me at times. And the numbers I used previously were just random values for the sake of example, the real number would be whatever people are willing to pay.

Its not about deserve or not deserve, its about supply and demand and incentivization (not a word, lol). If the gil rewards start out magnanimous, more people will flock to tanking, as the supply of tanks increases, the price needed to pay to support the demand for tanks will decrease. This would balance out the problem, those willing to tank the dungeons when the price is 0, will do it - but its proven right now that that is not very many. Those willing to run on their tank when the reward for tanking (amount of gil) exceeds the reward for playing a different toon (fun, tomes, progression) will increase as the price goes up, when we reach equilibrium, the price for tank over the long run will be set.

Economics 101, and its also how (most of) the American economy works.

And you people who don't have a tank need to stop projecting a "tank snob" attitude on us. I would actually agree that there are tanks who take this attitude further than is needed, but if by "lessor class" you mean "less valuable due to an abundance of supply for DF missions" then, yes, more in demand goods (tanks) should be rewarded more than less in demand goods (dps). Unless you're a COMMIEE!!!! GET'EM!

[Ehayte]

This sounds interesting, but I bet it would devolve quickly to people shouting on their own server 'lfm tank 20k!' 'screw that pt 25k here!' 'No 30 lol!' -tank

That is happening on Adamantoise already.

[RedAntares]

Tanks have zero queue times on DF, plus your are getting a little bit extra of gil and you want more?

[Huxer]

It's still amusing to me that people consider their characters a particular class. If you think that tanks have it so good, play one, you can change classes at any time on your character. If you don't feel like it' you have no room to complain.

[Ehayte]

Tanks have zero queue times on DF, plus your are getting a little bit extra of gil and you want more?

I don't want anything. You want a tank to tank for you : D

The fact that I am a tank has nothing to do with the arguments above - they are based on very basic economic principals. If DPS were the most needed class, the argument would be reversed, and just as true.

[RedAntares]

I don't want anything. You want a tank to tank for you : D

The fact that I am a tank has nothing to do with the arguments above - they are based on very basic economic principals. If DPS were the most needed class, the argument would be reversed, and just as true.

Yes, I want a Tank and you would want DPS and Healers to clear content, my post was directed at OP since he/she was asking for a bit more but what I meant is that as a Tank you don't have to wait on DF for 40min to enter a dungeon which is one of the good things the class has right now and they are giving you a little incentive to run as a Tank on the DF roulette already, which I think is fair.