Yoshida: "Only 100 people will beat Twintania before 2.1" Have you?

[Ryock]

Well, let's also not forget that this statement was made with the original Twintania in mind. Not the slightly tuned down one we have now.

[Marxam]

@OP; for most people memorization is the "difficulty" in its own right, in any boss fight.

[NeonC]

I was trying to come from the mind of Yoshi, get mad at him(or me being him) jeeze!

[Alhanelem]

statement was from before twisters were nerfed.

In this thread people complain about game difficulty not knowing content was nerfed for them.

As I said before, it doesn't really have much if anything to do with the twister nerf. A Conflag exploit was fixed at the same time, and the vast majority of turn 5 groups can not pass conflag.

[WiseWolfHolo]

garuda: when he put garuda in game he talked about only very few people would be able to beat it when it came out for a while. it was downed first night it was released and people had it on farm by day 2.

Not to bring up old news, but yeah they beat it within the first night because it was bugged, all every1 did was blm burn bug out garuda, so did they really beat it no. Not really sure about the numbers that beat it after the bug in 1.0 was fixed but I can bet the number was a single digit because everyone already got theirs the first night by means of abusing the bug.

But anyway pretty sure more than 100 groups have already beaten T5.

[sharazisspecial]

Er so how exactly did they fix twisters? If one starts running forward at around the first half of the cast bar shouldn't you just avoid it 100% of the time?

Unless server position delay caused you to get randomally hit or something. But that would be flawed untested design.

[Raikki]

As I said before, it doesn't really have much if anything to do with the twister nerf. A Conflag exploit was fixed at the same time, and the vast majority of turn 5 groups can not pass conflag.

You keep saying this, but your statement is illogical. There were a lot of groups already past conflags who were stuck on twisters or were being slowed down tremendously by not being able to consistently pass them, even when they knew how, because they required very unforgiving execution. Being stuck on conflags does not somehow mean that a group would be able to handle pre-nerf twisters if they could get to them. The nerf made a huge difference. If twisters had not been nerfed the number of people passing turn 5 before 2.1 would have been significantly lower.

Not to bring up old news, but yeah they beat it within the first night because it was bugged, all every1 did was blm burn bug out garuda, so did they really beat it no. Not really sure about the numbers that beat it after the bug in 1.0 was fixed but I can bet the number was a single digit because everyone already got theirs the first night by means of abusing the bug.

This is incorrect. The BLM burning came about days after the fight came out, after numerous groups had already beaten the fight legitimately as designed (and on video for proof).

[sharazisspecial]

You keep saying this, but your statement is illogical. There were a lot of groups already past conflags who were stuck on twisters or were being slowed down tremendously by not being able to consistently pass them, even when they knew how, because they required very unforgiving execution. Being stuck on conflags does not somehow mean that a group would be able to handle pre-nerf twisters if they could get to them. The nerf made a huge difference. If twisters had not been nerfed the number of people passing turn 5 before 2.1 would have been significantly lower.

Twisters were probally bugged or server position caused rng twisters because they are extremely straight forward. SE very rarely admits their mistakes.

[Dano]

As I said before, it doesn't really have much if anything to do with the twister nerf. A Conflag exploit was fixed at the same time, and the vast majority of turn 5 groups can not pass conflag.

it has everything to do with Twisters, vast majority of turn 5 groups especially the ones going for world firsts were stuck at twisters. Conflag wasn't even a problem before the sleep exploit was found, our groups have been consistently cleared up to Twisters and given enough time would have found the timing for twisters before it was nerfed to "just move during twister cast", that's when Turn 5 clears started popping up more often.

It's even stated by Yoshi that he felt Twister timing was too punishing so it's pretty clear where the major hurdle was in the fight.

[Raikki]

Twisters were probally bugged or server position caused rng twisters because they are extremely straight forward. SE very rarely admits their mistakes.

We'll never know if twisters were working as designed originally, since as you said SE would never admit if they weren't. However, they did work in a consistent manner that people could dodge if they executed precisely, otherwise the fight would not have been won.