Perspective as "THE OTHER" tank class.

[Firefly]

now it should be "Get over here!" ala scorpion

Haha! Nice!

[Zoomie]

To the end, I grapple with thee

Liking this one.

My myth tomes are burning a freakin' hole in my pocket... The Monday before the patch goes live I'll have 1950 myth and don't plan to spend any until then. Hopefully our heavy allagan drought ends before then, lol.

[AppleGrocer]

Honestly Zoomie, spring for the Gloves, the Boots and the Chest, they all give Acc and are better for us than Allagan.

I'd grab the helm too, since thats a T5 drop for us iirc. I would wait for Allagan pants and just wear Hoplite for a while though, exactly the same stats as myth, but it doesn't cost you 825 tomes. And grab the Hero's Ring if you don't have it yet.

[Zoomie]

Honestly Zoomie, spring for the Gloves, the Boots and the Chest, they all give Acc and are better for us than Allagan.

I'd grab the helm too, since thats a T5 drop for us iirc. I would wait for Allagan pants and just wear Hoplite for a while though, exactly the same stats as myth, but it doesn't cost you 825 tomes. And grab the Hero's Ring if you don't have it yet.

Yeah I hear ya. My situation is a bit abnormal, which is why I plan to wait. I started Coil as a PLD and have the allagan boots and earring as well as the Hero's ring and bracelets. For a PLD those are all BiS, as a warrior the Boots are going to make my ACC interesting to say the least. I currently still run coil as a PLD because as 2.0 stands it would simply be a burden to bring my WAR. Part of my motivation to wait is that as of now I don't "need" the upgrades as a warrior as I don't do Coil with mine.

If that makes more sense.

[AppleGrocer]

Ah, completely.

Was planning on doing that with my BLM, but I decided I'd be okay with being a burden for a few weeks.

[Traek]

Yeah I hear ya. My situation is a bit abnormal, which is why I plan to wait.I started Coil as a PLD and have the allagan boots and earring as well as the Hero's ring and bracelets. For a PLD those are all BiS, as a warrior the Boots are going to make my ACC interesting to say the least. I currently still run coil as a PLD because as 2.0 stands it would simply be a burden to bring my WAR. Part of my motivation to wait is that as of now I don't "need" the upgrades as a warrior as I don't do Coil with mine.

If that makes more sense.

Just go with what you like dude. I am in a similar boat and just decided to go get my Warrior Myth gear. Next week I'll prob get my gloves (if I don't get them from T4 today or next week) and just be missing legs (RNG!!!!). The thing is, either way my co-tank was a PLD through and through. I enjoy and have enjoyed Warrior, but play PLD for most things. Even if 2.1 brings Warrior closer, but not *quite* up to PLD (the proposed changes make them look equal) having PLD/WAR is going to be better for the group overall. Having added slashing damage for tanks, Timed mitigation for fights, a damage lowering skill on boss, all is just a win IMO.

Point being if you like Warrior it will at least be viable come 2.1. If not tied for best tank, the combo will at least benefit your group. Its worth it either way. Just my 2 cents.

[Kitru]

WAR's can pull just as much.

If a WAR pulls just as much as a PLD, they require a lot more healing since they're doing without Wrath (because of Overpower spam) and have a terrible CD suite. Since they require more healing, the healer cannot contribute as much (or any) damage, which invalidates your last statement. When you've got a WAR tank, the healer can't DPS so, honestly, you'll only ever have 3 people throwing out AoE DPS regardless of composition. It's also not as if a WAR tank can contribute anywhere *near* the same amount of damage as a DPS or even a healer.


The other thing you're forgetting about is resource management. A WAR throwing Overpower often enough for the damage is make a difference is going to run out of TP *insanely* fast. Unless the BRD is giving out Army's Paeon (which means no Mage's Ballad, which means less damage from BLM and WHM), the WAR is going to have to have downtime at some point for resource regeneration.

That 10 minute WP is, by far, the fastest WAR speed run I've ever seen, but I know several groups that can reliably run 8 minute WPs with a PLD tank. Some of the most important tricks aren't in fighting the big trash packs either. One of the best ways to clip time off of the run is to minimize damage in the boss fights so that the healer can DPS the entire time. If your healer is having to do more than Regen on the tank on either of the two first bosses, you're doing it wrong (on the first boss, the only appreciable source of damage is the poison after the inhale which can be avoided by getting out of melee right after the cast finishes; on the second boss, the only appreciable source of damage is the Fire cast which can be avoided by simply running behind the boss).

[Zoomie]

SNIP

On the point of it being worth it either way I completely agree. My point in waiting is that I could get the allagan chest, legs, belt, gloves, bracelets, ring, and neck all before 2.1 comes out. Which is when I will start actually using my warrior in meaningful content and will make use of the upgrades. For now I'm saving my myth so I can "fill in the gaps" depending on what I pick up between now and then while running Coil as a PLD.

As far as "what I like"... I'm hoping and praying that the Allagan chest drops for us someday. We have yet to see even one across our FC. The higher ACC on that over AF+1 will help to offset my having the Allagan boots which lack ACC as compared to the AF+1 boots.

[Traek]

On the point of it being worth it either way I completely agree. My point in waiting is that I could get the allagan chest, legs, belt, gloves, bracelets, ring, and neck all before 2.1 comes out. Which is when I will start actually using my warrior in meaningful content and will make use of the upgrades. For now I'm saving my myth so I can "fill in the gaps" depending on what I pick up between now and then while running Coil as a PLD.

As far as "what I like"... I'm hoping and praying that the Allagan chest drops for us someday. We have yet to see even one across our FC. The higher ACC on that over AF+1 will help to offset my having the Allagan boots which lack ACC as compared to the AF+1 boots.

Your method certainly isn't "wrong", but I'd coordinate with your PLD co-tank if you haven't. Technically you could get all those things, but then you'd be gimping one tank in the raid (assuming he won't get them, if you do). You'd be better off planning out loot drops so you could both spend myth accordingly and be geared up in the mean time. Of course like you said it might not affect your Warrior right now, but that is part of what BiS lists are for.

As far as your boots.. Have you planned out the equip with using them? I have Allagan chest and I passed on boots for my PLD co-tank knowing the legs/boots combo would just screw me hard on acc. Until you get full Allagan (T5 helm) its going to be hard to even consider using Allagan boots. You do have Fending Earring so that'd greatly help your cause of course, with chest and Hero's belt that could push you close? Without acc on our relic it certainly is making balancing out equip much more difficult.

Not trying to argue btw, just thinking out loud and discussing.

[Zoomie]

SNIP

That list of drops was more a theoretical "What could drop and what I don't have". We use a suicide kings loot style so unless tanking i90 suddenly starts raining from the sky I won't be getting all of that pre 2.1. We've actually gotten about 60% DRG loot across our FCs history in Coil... kinda sad as we don't bring a DRG. Myself and our other PLD are certainly coordinating what we want. The only reason I have the boots is that I got them long before they said anything about buffing WAR and wasn't planning to swap at the time. If the chest, legs, belt, or ring drop they will default to me as our PLD either has them or has BiS for said location. He's not saving myth, like I am for my wonky plan, and as a result has the AF+1 chest/legs.