please Yoshi, give the dx11 version TXAA

[Laraul]

I've never heard of TXAA. Doing a search for it yields a link to an NVidia page that talks about how it's used in one game (Assassin's Creed IV). It also includes footnote:

NOTE: TXAA is only supported on NVIDIA® Kepler™ GPUs and will require a GTX 600–series graphics card, or higher, to enable the feature in the game's graphics options. If you do not have the requirements to enable TXAA, the option will be hidden. TXAA is not properly observed with static screen shots, only with scenes in motion.

MSAA won't work of course because it only works on an image before any of the post processing effects have been applied. SSAA is incredibly resource intensive. So you are left with FXAA, which is fast, applies to the image after post processing, and provides quality near to that of SSAA. It's why it's the AA technique used by most every game today. And regardless of what AA you use, you'll always have some jaggies here and there. Unless you want your screen to look like a big smudge.

While I'm sure the super anti-aliasing / DX10 particles will be all so wonderful, isn't anyone a bit disappointed by the fact that they're not increasing the base resolution of those nasty low res textures?

What "nasty low res textures" are you referring too exactly? I haven't seen any ugly textures in the game. Maybe it's your monitor.

When people ask for things like this, they are always being speculative, assuming that if this is done, the game's image quality will improve. But in practice, just adding fancily named anti-aliasing measures isn't practical or possible.

[Shioban]

MSAA won't work of course because it only works on an image before any of the post processing effects have been applied. SSAA is incredibly resource intensive. So you are left with FXAA, which is fast, applies to the image after post processing, and provides quality near to that of SSAA.

FXAA, in particular to that of the setting Square Enix are using is horrible compared to MSAA/SSAA/SMAA

SSAA/SMAA although intensive are great to use, if the option is provided it would be nice to utilise them, the idea of the Directx 11 client would be bells and whistles above and beyond the recommended 'high performance' route, this would be one of them.

MSAA can work, it just requires a bit of adjustment, this has been tried and tested, whether Square Enix would be bothered or not to do this is another question.

What "nasty low res textures" are you referring too exactly? I haven't seen any ugly textures in the game. Maybe it's your monitor.

Compared to 1.23 quite a lot of the textures were heavily reduced, more-so for characters. Hair, bodies and gear in general were reduced to favour memory reduction, generally affecting the look of them. They're not nasty by any mean but it is noticeable. It's mostly with

Monitor? lolwut?

[Sajittarius]

MSAA won't work of course because it only works on an image before any of the post processing effects have been applied.

The reason it wont work in FFXIV is because you can't do MSAA with deferred rendering in dx9. It does work in dx11, that is why I was asking for it. TXAA is just MSAA with an extra temporal filter that helps reduce motion induced aliasing. It's being used in a bunch of games, not just Assassins Creed.

Come to think of it, I would be happy if they just implement MSAA with the dx11 engine, since then things can be enhanced with driver settings (Nvidia Inspector, RadeonPro, etc.).

[Laraul]

The reason it wont work in FFXIV is because you can't do MSAA with deferred rendering in dx9. It does work in dx11, that is why I was asking for it. TXAA is just MSAA with an extra temporal filter that helps reduce motion induced aliasing. It's being used in a bunch of games, not just Assassins Creed.

Come to think of it, I would be happy if they just implement MSAA with the dx11 engine, since then things can be enhanced with driver settings (Nvidia Inspector, RadeonPro, etc.).

What DX10/11 games that use deferred rendering techniques allow hardware MSAA? Are you sure it's MSAA and not some other form of AA? And when these games are run using DX9 what do they use then for AA?

I don't think you'll be able to override the game's settings via the driver until support for the game has been added to the driver. For the most part trying to change the games appearance thru the "driver" doesn't work. Sometimes the driver will detect the game and apply a hook that patches the game when run. Sometimes it just changes they games configuration files to enable such changes. Of course maybe there's something I do not know. But how can a driver just safely apply effects to a modern day game without including support for that game?

[Sumii]

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I just saw you asked me a question (that Shioban graciously answered) a day or so ago. Just to testify from my personal machine and monitor it is nothing on my end. A better game to compare all the graphic modifications so you can see the huge changes is Skyrim. Even the DEVs of that game saw how much people were swapping out nasty textures with high res stuff, so much to the point they released their own HD texture pack. Mind you I still use higher res third party for that game, but that's neither here or there.

1.23 graphics were mostly complained about in regards to copy/paste textures, ambient occlusion bug (was never fixed), and a few people from my old LS complained about not so much de-saturation, but it wasn't as vibrant as they'd of preferred. They're obviously the crowd Yoshi catered to with the over-cranked colors (which I sometimes enjoy, but mostly shudder at).

Things like the chain link textures in mails, the graphics on clothing like Shioban showed, and just the skin/face/body textures in general are much lower than 1.x. This isn't just a thought, it's a fact that even Yoshi stated. I don't think you were debating that though. I think you were more or less questioning whether higher textures actually changed anything in those circumstances. For me it's a huge difference. I'm sad two-fold when I open up old screenshots and see better textures on my character and also the fact that her skeleton hasn't been butchered/manipulated/simplified to match more closely to all the other skeletons.

I run SweetFX now, but not for the typical use for saturating colors, but more so to take them out. It helps, but the low res textures are still a blight to see. However, it's not as noticeable as it would have been in 1.x since this game loves making you zoom out extremely far, whereas previously I was almost always just over the shoulder.

Alright, I'm done reminiscing!