Can this game stop being a monday game?

[rowdey1]

no i dont think an MMO should be just progression no story no fluff
what i think is that they need to continue the progression somehow , i think its a complete waste of dev time to come out with so many new things and alot fo new content in 2.1 and not have ANY aspect of that a progression to the current content of a character. a MMO doesnt have to be all progression all the time but when end game is already pretty small compared to other MMOS at release putting out 7 new aspects of the game in the first big patch but have all of it lower in Ilvl progression just simply doesnt make any sense.
My point is when people run out of stuff to progress with they get bored .. whether its the majority or the minority it WILL hurt the game which isnt good for anyone

[rowdey1]

And to the person said if you like raid end game content new MMOs arent for you i will simply point out EQ2 on launch day had a bunch of ready to go T5 raid content which was really good and very few guilds had even 1 tank in full white T5 armor by the time DOF game around ... so yes a game CAN launch with more then 45 minutes a week of end game content

[OldGeezer]

Seriously, one week lock outs for everything. Coil, Tomes, CT gear. Why does everything need a lockout. I mean like the vanity from CT alone is a extremely weak reason to even bother with CT and i doubt from the main story and coils that it will be a compelling story. Most likely a cheese gather event to get in it. Yay.

Its getting harder and harder to log in any day besides monday.

Not me, I play everyday. The choice to not do anything else is yours alone.

[Divinemight]

One-shotting turns 1-4 is extremely easy at this point considering how much gear and experience most endgame FCs have with it.

I will repeat it again I suppose. Hardcore elites are only a small portion of entire playerbase. You maybe able to clear Coil with minmiize of time, it does not apply to general player base. We are still seeing people who are buying Titan run because they cant do it themselves and we are also seeing people LFG for Coil Turn 2 everyday.

It is recommand that you stop exagerating the situation. CT, i pretty clearly used the word "assume and estimate" because I am not 100% on it as a fact. When it comes to general playerbase, CT wont be smooth at all, otherwise Blizzard wont bandaid their playerbase with LFR level of difficulty.

[Mekhana]

If you need help with Titan and you are from Leviathan, don't buy a run. Just talk to me, I love helping out people.

[Divinemight]

If you need help with Titan and you are from Leviathan, don't buy a run. Just talk to me, I love helping out people.

That is very nice of you but i think Levithan players are pretty good. I did Paladin and Bard relic in a random PuG group. I just dont like the palyers with hardcore elite attitudes and unleash their egoness on other players. Keep claiming this is a Monday game. I am also a hardcore palyer myself that raid in both WoW and FF14, but I wont call both games lack of contents. It is just those contents that I am not interesting to do it and I wont QQing about it.

[Borfin]

And to the person said if you like raid end game content new MMOs arent for you i will simply point out EQ2 on launch day had a bunch of ready to go T5 raid content which was really good and very few guilds had even 1 tank in full white T5 armor by the time DOF game around ... so yes a game CAN launch with more then 45 minutes a week of end game content

EQ2 was extremely content-consumption unfriendly. In FFXIV you can be raid-ready within two hours of hitting 50. In EQ2 it took weeks and you know it. You had to raise A profession to craft B gear before you could craft C gear to run D content that unlocked E content. They had tons of gates that created the illusion of content.

Extremely poor example. Compare to WoW and you're getting more realistic. My points still remain valid; you should actually read THEM and not skim the post.

The main current problem is that getting relic pretty much invalidates all three Primal fights which are supposed to be stepping stones into Coil. They're attempted gates that relic bypasses.

[Ninix]

I will repeat it again I suppose. Hardcore elites are only a small portion of entire playerbase. You maybe able to clear Coil with minmiize of time, it does not apply to general player base. We are still seeing people who are buying Titan run because they cant do it themselves and we are also seeing people LFG for Coil Turn 2 everyday.

It is recommand that you stop exagerating the situation. CT, i pretty clearly used the word "assume and estimate" because I am not 100% on it as a fact. When it comes to general playerbase, CT wont be smooth at all, otherwise Blizzard wont bandaid their playerbase with LFR level of difficulty.

Except it does not take "hardcore elite" players to clear the first four turns in an hour or so. As I said, I am definitely not in a "elite" FC by any means and yet we still have multiple groups on turn 5. I myself have literally never set foot in a raid dungeon before Final Fantasy 14. I was about as casual as you could be during my years playing WoW, because I never raided and I didn't do arenas, I just leveled a bunch of alts, did some BGs, and did some of max level 5-mans in the Dungeon Finder. So it takes us a long time to learn fights, but once we get them down the first time, we get it down in one or two attempts the next week. Once you learn the mechanics for a fight and down it that first time, subsequent clears become much, much easier, even for "non-elite" players.

It's amusing that you're telling me to stop exaggerating when you suggest that CT will take four hours as support for your "you can't clear all of 2.1's content in one day!" post. Yes, we have obviously not played the dungeon, so nobody can say exactly how long it takes. Going by what we do know, however, ~1 hour is a much safer estimation than four hours, which is double the time limit for the dungeon.

[rowdey1]

ur right in eq2 you had to EARN things ... but it also made people WANT to earn that raid gear ....

i think its interesting you would rather me compare XIV to one of the more recent mmos that failed in 3 months ... eq2 DID make it harder to achieve end game gear it DID make it harder to kill end game bosses and it DID have alot longer of a lifespan then any of the games that have come out since ..... coincidence?

[Azurus]

Personally, i have something to do everyday (When I cap out Myth) I go and level up my gathering classes and use what I gather for my crafting class. Then I make a nice profit for my efforts .

cool i do that too...its called working :P