The fans will be here when it's all said and done

[whilke]

I'm not calling people running coil rushers, I'm calling someone who takes their main job to 50 and finishes most of the end game in two weeks at only two hours a day a rusher. There's a difference. You're right, hitting 50 in under a month isn't rushing. If I were to dedicate about 3-4 hours a night, I could probably do it pretty easily. I'm also not saying he has to try everything (although that's kind of the defining thing for this game, the fact that you can run every class with one character), I'm saying he can't be insulting someone for not rushing through the main storyline and say that they aren't the average player and don't know how to play. They are the average player. They want to see the story, enjoy what's unique about MMOs, and just enjoy the game. That doesn't mean they don't know how to go faster, they just don't want to.

I was also arguing about complaining that there isn't content when he clearly ran through it all. The content is there, it's up to you whether you enjoy it or not.

This is to whilke btw.

Getting to 50 in two weeks is not rushing. I don't know what game you're playing, but you can get you first character to 50 by doing the main+side quests (and reading all the text) in two weeks. This game is designed to be at 50, I don't know why they don't just give you a lvl 50 job to start.

Every MMO lets you run every class if you want, and some people do, and some people don't. Not everyone is going to level up every base class and job. That is not content.

[Yshnal]

Every MMO lets you run every class if you want, and some people do, and some people don't. Not everyone is going to level up every base class and job. That is not content.

That's entirely subjective. For some people "replaying" the game by leveling a new class is content and doing any endgame dungeon/raid for the 100th time just for loot isn't (more so here that every class/job has a different story and you can play them all with the same character), while for others it's the opposite. Both stances are valid.

[Arale]

That's entirely subjective. For some people "replaying" the game by leveling a new class is content and doing any endgame dungeon/raid for the 100th time just for loot isn't (more so here that every class/job has a different story and you can play them all with the same character), while for others it's the opposite. Both stances are valid.

I'd beg to differ. Doing the same thing on a different character isn't content because there's no difference in what's available to you. You'd have to go out of your way to do select bits of whats available to vary it enough and call it content. Even if you blew through the story, got to 50 and be CM/P, the remaining dungeons are fairly shallow, as are the quests, and the FATE's are even more hollow then that. I've done a lot of the 1.0 quests AND the 2.0 quests. If those are content, then I fear for the longevity of this game. x.x

[Yshnal]

I'd beg to differ. Doing the same thing on a different character isn't content because there's no difference in what's available to you. You'd have to go out of your way to do select bits of whats available to vary it enough and call it content. Even if you blew through the story, got to 50 and be CM/P, the remaining dungeons are fairly shallow, as are the quests, and the FATE's are even more hollow then that. I've done a lot of the 1.0 quests AND the 2.0 quests. If those are content, then I fear for the longevity of this game. x.x

You missed the point. What you mean is that that's not new content. What I mean is that, until new raids, etc. are introduced, doing any endgame dungeon or raid for loot (as we've always done in a lot of MMOs, including the almighty WoW) can be considered for some the same thing as replaying the game up to level 50. In any of those situations you have nothing new to do, you just replay the same content that you've already done until more new content (more quests and/or levels, or new dungeons/raids) is released, be it to get new shinies or to have another class at maxlevel.

Some people like to do the infinite dungeon farming (AKA carrot in the stick), some others prefer to level another class/job or a whole new character, and some others like both (I do here in FFXIV as I can use my character for them all). And they're all right, as they play the game as they enjoy it. Saying that any of those is not actual content because you like one more than the other is just a matter of opinion, and not a fact.

[Arale]

Saying that any of those is not actual content because you like one more than the other is just a matter of opinion, and not a fact.

Right, that's my opinion, since I didn't state anywhere in my post that it wasn't or that what I said was 'fact'.

[Yshnal]

Right, that's my opinion, since I didn't state anywhere in my post that it wasn't or that what I said was 'fact'.

Then it's subjective and both stances are valid, thus you don't differ with what I said originally

[Arale]

Then it's subjective and both stances are valid, thus you don't differ with what I said originally

No I disagree with what you said, that's why I said ''beg to differ''. I disagree with you, but that's just my opinion. Though numbers don't lie, and many subs are gone already. I'd be curious to see how many people do what you're doing vs how many people quit because of the mindset I posted.

[Kezy_Kaatapoh]

Getting to 50 in two weeks is not rushing. I don't know what game you're playing, but you can get you first character to 50 by doing the main+side quests (and reading all the text) in two weeks. This game is designed to be at 50, I don't know why they don't just give you a lvl 50 job to start.

Every MMO lets you run every class if you want, and some people do, and some people don't. Not everyone is going to level up every base class and job. That is not content.

You cannot get to level 50 doing the main and side quests in two weeks if you're only playing 2 hours a day. It's impossible if you read all of the text. You know how I know that? Because that's exactly what I currently do. And no, the game isn't "designed to be at 50." I'm currently going through easily 40-50 plus hours of content in the main story and side quests. That is a LOT of stuff to do. To throw that away so easily is unfair to the devs.

And you missed what I wrote. I said the game lets you run every class as one character. I don't know of another MMO that lets you do that without making an alt.

[KariArisu]

You cannot get to level 50 doing the main and side quests in two weeks if you're only playing 2 hours a day. It's impossible if you read all of the text. You know how I know that? Because that's exactly what I currently do. And no, the game isn't "designed to be at 50." I'm currently going through easily 40-50 plus hours of content in the main story and side quests. That is a LOT of stuff to do. To throw that away so easily is unfair to the devs.

And you missed what I wrote. I said the game lets you run every class as one character. I don't know of another MMO that lets you do that without making an alt.

Even Yoshi said the game starts at endgame. Anything you can do 40-50 is not significant. Main story? That's to get you to 50 and give you an entertaining story. Side quests? To get you to 50.
Content for MMORPGs is all about end game. This game only requires 1 day a week to finish endgame for the week, which is dumb. We want to play more.

[Nero]

This game only requires 1 day a week to finish endgame for the week, which is dumb. We want to play more.

For only a fraction of the actual Playerbase. Do you believe SE will cater to that fraction rather than the rest of the Players? Sorry, but no.